Ask YComb: Should I quit to do a startup during a recession?
I'm 23-years-old. I've been working at a tech company for 1.5 years. I have an idea for a startup that I want to do but I'm afraid the economy is going south. My mama always tells me the only reason why I don't appreciate my job is because I haven't yet experienced an economic downturn. She tells me I have no idea what it's like when you can't find a job because I was able to get this one right out of college. I have enough money saved up to survive about a year without a job. (I am going to pay for my own health insurance.) What do I do? Hunker down...or take the plunge?
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 140 ms ] threadbut also, it's not good to have a boolean choice. you can make it less so, on both ends. you might be able to reduce your hours at work, in a potentially temporary manner (they might not like that idea at first, but if they want to keep your hours up, then obviously they don't want to fire you, so you have some ability to negotiate. reduced hours, for them, beats none by a large margin). and you could start on your startup in spare time, to learn more about
A) will it work B) how long will it take to finish C) how much you like working on it.
you can also research competitors, look for cofounder now, and other things, without some permanent "taking the plunge".
find room for both, and if you find that you are still in love with this project after a month or two, then you have that much more information (and money) to go out and finally leave your day job.
That's a good reason, but not the only one.
Maybe you don't appreciate your job because you have a startup inside of you just bustin' to get out. Not even the greatest job or economy could help with that.
On the web application side we do have customers because quite a lot of them are actually writing in languages like C++, C# and Java. Build acceleration is helpful there. For companies that are doing something like PHP then our build management tools (Electric Commander) are more appropriate since they are used to coordinate deployment of a large site.
~phil
If you are considering this, save your money and begin reducing your costs. If a _major_ downturn happens, you can likely live quite cheaply during those times.
Could the recession work in your favour? Goods will become cheaper, interest rates will be cut, there will be people to hire because unemployment will rise, etc. So if you have money saved up, it could actually go further.
Although VC investment may slow down during recession, developing through the recession will set you up for prime-time when the economy picks up and VC's want your soul...I mean invest.
Moving away from home was one of the best decisions I have ever made - I got to decide when to work, when to play, and when to sleep. And I have never looked back.
I think that you are in the same position. So take the plunge.
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=101755
I know that parents get awfully nervous about this sort of stuff. But... sometimes they just don't understand. Especially when it comes to technology stuff and the tech biz.
If you have the money, and can give a startup a shot.. go for it. What's the worst case scenario? The worst thing that can happen is that you'll have learned a lot about starting your own business, and you will have learned a lot about new technologies, and your savings will be gone. That's it. That's the worst.
Nursing is only lucrative in California and Boston. If you're anywhere else in the country, the pay is generally abyssmal compared to the responsibility and the stress. In what other industry can you work 12 hours straight and barely have time to go urinate, much less eat a lunch. At one point in my career I could eat a Big Mac in under 45 seconds. Why? Because I had to. That's literally all the time I had to eat.
I'm not leaving nursing to go work in a cube farm. I'm leaving nursing to be a serial entrepreneur. I'll be able to work 2 or 3 days a week, and spend the rest of my time coding and starting a business until I can get paid enough to devote full time to the business.
So, what is the worst that can happen to this young man? Taking a year off to live off of savings to start a web app. Please, if I have no imagination, tell me what your worst case scenario is.
1. Those trying to find a reason to do a startup.
2. Those trying to find a reason to not do a starup.
"the choice has already been made, it must merely be understood" ...(from the Matrix)
If you can find a sustaining revenue source ealy on, by doing something thatXs truly new and useful, I canXt see a reason why not start a startup even during a recession.
Actually, if what you sell really benefits users, specially if your users are other companies, youXll probably find many of them.
Finally, during recessions, thereXs a lot of great talent available on the market.
ItXs good to remember that most of GoogleXs growth as a company happened during the "nuclear winter" of the web after the bubbleXs burts in 2000.
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In my time I have done illegal raves, had sex with a porn model, started a bar in Ibiza, done drugs, started a crash-and-burn dot-com, and all sorts of other crazy stuff. But when I talk to my friends now (im in my mid-thirties) they wish they had not held back, and just gone with their ideas.
So get going, you have nothing to lose... If it fails at least you tried, your friends will envy you for having the guts to try, and in 10 years you will have a great story to tell.
So my point stands: Just do it...
...with the porn model.
Doing crazy, unconventional stuff is a really good idea. If you don't take risks, ever, you can really get messed up. But when it comes to drugs...I don't know, I wasn't there, I don't know the kind, the purity, the dealer, etc. It might have been a really bad idea. If you took a bad risk but turned out alright, that doesn't mean it was a good risk to take. It's like winning at Russian Roulette. But again, I wasn't there.
Plus, not all drugs were created equal. Steve Jobs doesn't think acid is so bad, and he didn't do too shabby.
Less worry about money will also allow you to work on what you enjoy, without the constant spectre of "How am I going to monetize this?"
the only thing certain is that the doing a startup is totally different from a normal job.
you must be ready for a serious commitment.
In short if you have enough money to last you for year then go for it. You could always freelance for extra money if needed.
There are many businesses that are recession-proof, and many that can still pay you a salary during a downturn, though your current job isn't necessarily in one of those businesses (and your startup might not be in one of those businesses either). Without a lot of experience, it may not be immediately obvious to you what businesses will weather the recession well and which will run into trouble.
Having a job now does not mean you'll have a job in six months if the recession hits hard. Don't imagine that your job is permanent if things go badly for your current employer. There are no guarantees in anything. At least with a startup, assuming you build something people want, you'll have something people want in your possession rather than just a last paycheck.
That said, I'll tell you what I wish I'd known at 23: Have fun. Do exactly what you most want to do. If that is starting a company, traveling the world, starting a band, writing a novel, getting another degree, or some combination of these things, do it. You will never be in a better position to do exactly what you want to do.
Your mother worries about you, and thinks about basic needs first. You live in a time and society in which basic needs are all but automatic: you can work two days a week at a crap job and make a subsistence living as long as you're single and live frugally. You can always get a crap job if you need it later. Since you're college educated and presumably a nerd, you're even better placed...contract work pays enough to get by on a few days a month.
As mixmax pointed out, the old saying that you won't regret the things you did but the things you didn't do is probably as true as any truism ever said. When you're 30 you'll begin to get a sense of this...I suspect that when you're 40 you'll have an absolute certainty of it (I'm not yet to 40, so I don't know for certain...but I passed 30 a few years ago, and it only seems more true each day).
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=88410
* it is a dynamical system, not a random one, and theoretically can become predictable in the short term
* economic policy is very politicized and Central Banks do unreasonable things on purpose (like keeping artificially low interest rates).
So, combine the economic imbalances waiting to be resolved (like negative savings rate etc.) and a market crash that you see taking place right now - and you can predict start of a recession quite well.
If true, you should be a trillionaire.
Also, there's a difference between knowing something and being willing to risk losing a ton of money if you're wrong.
To support pg's point, unless your product takes a couple of lazy weekends to slap together, there's really no way of knowing where the economy will be once you're ready to go live.
And for that matter, weren't a number of successful dot-coms founded in the middle of the 2001-2002 recession? It seems to me that if you've spotted a good opportunity, the gyrations of industrial giants shouldn't really matter much to you. Even if your customers are businesses, your product should offer better value for less money than something they're already using, recession or no. A recession will, if anything, make them more receptive to such a product.
I agree with all those saying recession isn't a big concern.
HP was founded during the great depression. Sun and Adobe were started during recessions.