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<i>"In a culture obsessed with newness"</i>

It's mostly because of earthquakes, they got used to buildings being temporary.

Also sismic regulations are constantly evolving, so newer is safer (because more resistant to earthquake thanks to modern technics) and after some time it's more effective to destroy a building than do the necessary (and mandatory) work to keep up with the regulations.

So no, the Japanese don't want new houses because it's shiny and they're bored of the old ones.

I have a completely different understanding of this. Buying a house, the carpets, the drapes, all have to be replaced. Because of a taboo against using things soiled by other people. No amount of cleaning can get them clean enough to overcome a taboo.

Same with cars. There is apparently little/no used car market in Japan. Lots of our (USA) spare parts for economy cars come over on ships from Japan. Because, no market there.

Japanese used cars are quite popular in other nearby left-side driving countries (Thailand, Indonesia, India, Australia) and even Russia (which is right-side but whatever).

Even Japanese buildings/houses are rebuilt every N years for the newness. Might not be really sustainable.

They even make it further afield than that. I was in Peru about 5 years ago, and saw a lot of used Japanese cars. IIRC, they didn't even bother converting some from right hand to left hand drive, which is how I think I noticed.
Ya, the same thing happens in Russia's far east.
Also BC, Canada. Those Mitsubishi Delica vans are popular because they are camperized and have four wheel drive. It's amazing there isn't another option built for the domestic market rather than having to import fifteen year old, right hand drive vehicles like these.
And the only way to get a cute Daihatsu Copen is to import directly from Japan. So many nice cars there that I wish they would export more and convert to right hand driving.
"There is apparently little/no used car market in Japan."

This isn't really true. A lot of people buy used cars in Japan. Not sure how you got that information.

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That shouldn't be a insurmountable issue though. When I buy a house all the carpets come out and get replaced with wood floors and everything gets repainted. Otherwise it's just gross.
> There is apparently little/no used car market in Japan.

At least historically, that's because the inspection process for keeping old cars on the road is so onerous that many people don't want to bother an just got new cars[1]. I don't know how things are now, but it sound like the inspections are still expensive[2].

[1] (90s) http://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/12/world/why-the-cars-in-japa...

[2] (more recent) http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2022.html

exactly. I worked for years in the JP car export business (tech side of things)
Yes. This is deliberate policy by the government to push people to buy more cars than they would otherwise buy.
I've seen videos of lots full of perfectly working, but slightly used, appliances waiting to be dismantled and recycled in Japan. They don't even bother blocking entrance to the lot and they're mostly unattended, so anybody could in theory, just drive up and fill their house with all the appliances they need for nothing.

You also rarely see old cars on the road because (my understanding is) that taxes incentivize people to ditch old cars quickly and get new ones.

My thinking is this extends through various parts of Japanese society, and combined with various taboos, is used by the government to help keep the economy moving. Otherwise, the culturally thrifty Japanese population would just keep everything they have forever and the economy would be in worse shape than it is now.

This concept is fascinating given the general perception that Japanese products have for reliability and longevity.
This is probably an example of the non obvious shape of the reliability curve, which has a hump of failures early on, but then trails off. Effort to decrease reliability early on coincides with long term reliability.
I feel like it's a fallacy that things need to be constantly thrown out and replaced for an economy to be healthy. If someone doesn't have to spend $1000 on new appliances, it's not like that thousand dollars disappears from the economy. Either the person spends that money on something else or sticks it in their savings account and the bank loans some of it out for someone else to spend. (This is basic econ theory, so I'm sure it's a little more complicated than that.) How is it better for an economy when people have to spend money replacing existing things instead of on buying new stuff?
Over-saving? Domestic consumption would be lower since savings/investment are higher. Could lead to buildup of inventories, and make existing investment projects non-viable.

But I guess in Japan most of the portion of savings goes into international investments, which is good.

> If someone doesn't have to spend $1000 on new appliances, it's not like that thousand dollars disappears from the economy.

Yes it does. Modern economic systems are built on consumerism. Saving large sums of money acts like a vacuum on currency and brings markets to a halt. Flowing money lubricates the economy.

That's basically the sum total of the most recent economic crisis, money wasn't moving, so two presidential administrations through gigantic sums of money at the economy, like spraying it down with WD-40, until it started moving again.

> Either the person spends that money on something else or sticks it in their savings account and the bank loans some of it out for someone else to spend.

The problem is that in aggregate, if nobody is spending money, it doesn't move around at all. If nobody takes out a loan, then that money just sits in the bank. Sitting money means nobody needs to manufacture anything because nobody is buying anything, which means there's no reason to employ anybody, so nobody makes money. Because times are bad, they save what they have even more and spending continues to go down.

Fairly quickly the economy goes into a death spiral, and while plenty of people may have money, there's nothing to spend it on anyway.

China is using the same economic trick that's been used time and time again, in the U.S., Japan, other places, to kickstart their economy. It's dumping money into the economy in huge works projects, mostly construction related, and letting that money slosh around. Japan did it in the 80s, but it's no longer working as well as it once did, because pretty much everything they need to build is built, and the population is shrinking so they need even less things.

I'm far from an expert but this is from the Keynes camp(?)
That theory is based on the assumption that an economy requires consistent purchase of the same products, so in that theory planned obsolescene is great. Yet, the alternative to consumers continuously replacing "old" gear with slightly newer gear is not that a person just deciding they don't want to buy anything and placing that money in savings, they than have money to buy OTHER things, or for entertainment, travel, festivals, trips to mars, adding a 3rd story to their house, et cetera.
> they than have money to buy OTHER things, or for entertainment, travel, festivals, trips to mars, adding a 3rd story to their house, et cetera.

Believe it or not, there really is only so many other things that people will buy before you start thinking to yourself "hmmm...I'm not using these things at all and they're taking up space, perhaps I should stop buying useless things".

It's like my Steam account, hundreds of games I'll never have time to play and I have no idea why I bought them. So I've stopped paying attention to Steam Sales and Bundles.

There's only so many appliances, couches, nick-nacks, clothes, electronic goods that you can fit in your house, and only so much time per year to travel. At some point (and this really happens), you just stop buying stuff you don't need to and it just gets piled into various forms of savings.

That's great though, once a person has a considerable savings they invest in new and local businesses or other endeavors, else they simply begin buying more high quality items.
The Parable of the broken window;

  Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper,
  James Goodfellow, when his careless son has happened to 
  break a pane of glass? If you have been present at such a 
  scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact 
  that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty 
  of them, by common consent apparently, offered the 
  unfortunate owner this invariable consolation – "It is an 
  ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and 
  what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were 
  never broken?"
  

  Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, 
  which it will be well to show up in this simple case, 
  seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, 
  unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical
  institutions.
  

  Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you 
  say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier's 
  trade – that it encourages that trade to the amount of 
  six francs – I grant it; I have not a word to say against 
  it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his 
  task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in 
  his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that 
  which is seen.
  
  
  But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as 
  is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break 
  windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the 
  encouragement of industry in general will be the result 
  of it, you will oblige me to call out, "Stop there! Your 
  theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no 
  account of that which is not seen."
  
  
   It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six 
  francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. 
  It is not seen that if he had not had a window to 
  replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, 
  or added another book to his library. In short, he would 
  have employed his six francs in some way, which this 
  accident has prevented.
  
  Frédéric Bastiat, 
  in his 1850 essay "Ce qu'on voit et ce qu'on ne voit pas" 
  (That Which Is Seen and That Which Is Not Seen)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
Yeah, that's the passage I was thinking of when writing my comment.
>You also rarely see old cars on the road because (my understanding is) that taxes incentivize people to ditch old cars quickly and get new ones.

This is correct. You have to pay a hefty bi-annual inspection fee (beginning three years after a new purchase) to keep a vehicle on the road if it's over 250cc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-vehicle_inspection_%28Ja...

At some point in a vehicle's life, it becomes more economically viable to get rid of it than to keep it up to snuff to pass the inspection. The other vehicle taxes are also based on displacement, so you'll see lots of cute little 1.3L or lower displacement inline-four vans riding around. I kept turning my head because I thought I was hearing motorcycles!

Does freehold vs leasehold also affect the valuation of buildings? Towards the end the lease on the property the lease on leasehold properties are worth less, versus freehold properties? I'm asking because I dont know, but think I could have some impact on building values as they age.
Australia has a phenomenon called 'removal homes', where you'll buy a house on one plot of land and ship it, intact, somewhere else.

Example:

http://www.atlashouseremovers.com.au/

My sister in Oklahoma got her 2nd house this way. Freeway ramp going in; house was free to anyone interested in hauling it away.

Was so tall, they chainsawed 6 feed out of the 2nd storey. Once on site, they propped it back up, rebuilt the studs and drywall so you couldn't tell it'd ever happened!

A fantastic resource for understanding this weird market is the "Buying a House in Japan" playlist on this youtube channel [1]

He goes through lots of this weirdness in the Japanese market as he looks to buy and restore an older home.

I suspect there's a "let's boost GDP with more construction" problem in Japan. It's resulted in lots of fantastic infrastructure, but also bizarre half-formed highways, unfinished bridges, paved over rivers and other things built way out in the countryside. [2]

1 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE0D149A2A50898A3 2 - http://regex.info/blog/2007-03-25/403

Thankyou, ill be checking that out when i get time.
A story similar to this was shared on Reddit a while back and many people chimed in that the story was massively overblown.
> The current of the flowing river does not cease, and yet the water is not the same water as before. The foam that floats on stagnant pools, now vanishing, now forming, never stays the same for long. So, too, it is with the people and dwellings of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C5%8Dj%C5%8Dki

I dont think its as bad as it sounds now. Oh btw my wife is Japanese, and were currently living in Yokohama. Now there is a taboo againt house from the early 80's(ill have to check with her for the exact date), as there were different building laws in relation to earthquakes.

Also a lot of the houses that are built with wood are undesirable -earthquakes, fire risk etc. We just rented a fairly good sized wooden apartment at quite a bit under market rates.

My point being there is a lot of new houses going up which are built to seemingly higher standards, which people want, conpared to say my Japabese grandparents house, which shakes if i move too quickly through it.

I do believe the trend is startibg to switch around though, as more houses become available in the "higher quality" bracket. (Note: i dont necessarily agree with the quality perceptions, im more of a case by case kind of guy).

One last thing someone mentioned about second hand cars: There really is a stigma, we had a mild argument about that the other day haha. I want a used card (around 4k aud), she wants a new one(12k aud). For shopping -.-

Update: she woke up, 1985 or 86 is when the law was introduced, and she says she always gives it a year or two after that.

Also the law has been updated multiple times.

Hell i figure if the house is still standing after the last one and shows no damage, were good to go. (Proper check for damage, not me checking haha).

a lot of the houses that are built with wood are undesirable -earthquakes, fire risk etc

Many American houses are colloquially called "stick houses"[1] because they are built from 2"x4" or 2"x6" lumber. These are often also called "wood frame"[2].

In an earthquake I'd rather take my chances in a wood frame house over one built from bricks, concrete, and rebar. After earthquakes, I've seen too many collapsed concrete buildings on TV, with people buried under tons of rubble. A wood frame house is generally too light to collapse in such a way as to pancake the occupants.

I agree with you in terms of other risks. E.g. we've had a lot of forest fires this summer, and many wood frame houses were lost. All that remained were the concrete foundations and the brick fireplaces.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stick-built_home [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood-frame_house

I have kind of the same thinking, although during the last big one, my inlaws house is rebar and it held up amazingly well, while a few around theirs(of wood), didnt. Not exactly solid evidence though, im not sure on their build quality, where my father in law paid extra to make his house over quality(compared to the law based minimums at the time).