Ask HN: Real odds of making a living off a web app
My goal is to make a webapp that makes a middle class income. It does not have to be Bay Area middle class, but say 100k a year.
What is the real probability this can happen? Or is it a fool's errand?
I'm from a non-software field in my 30's, but I'm tired of grinding it out with a salary that can barely cover the expenses. I'd like to work remotely and live somewhere more affordable.
I don't expect anything to happen right away, but over the next 5 years. Because I don't see myself saving my way to retirement, owning a business where you control your time is the only end game I can see.
I like building apps and take pride in my work, so it seems like a good avenue for me.
Thanks.
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 63.2 ms ] threadSo far it has been much harder to get association leaders to change and try something new. I have feedback that it is cool and a premium product relative to what they currently do, but so far no one with money has gotten excited enough to actually buy.
On the other hand there are certainly people who have made your vision happen. If I had better answers I would have already solved my own sales problems.
Bringing innovation to a market is hard.
> owning a business where you control your time is the only end game I can see.
I will encourage you to read first 4-5 chapters of "The E-Myth Revisited: Why Most Small Businesses Don't Work and What to Do About It" by Michael E. Gerber.
“The problem is that everybody who goes into business is actually three-people-in-one: The Entrepreneur, The Manager, and The Technician.
And the problem is compounded by the fact that while each of these personalities wants to be the boss, none of them wants to have a boss.
So they start a business together in order to get rid of the boss. And the conflict begins.”
Excerpt From: Michael E. Gerber. “The E-Myth Revisited: Why Most Small Businesses Don't Work and What to Do About It.” iBooks.
ty for the suggestion.
We're a two person team and we've been doing it for the past 5 years like a clockwork. On of our recent sites makes around $200K/year so what you're after is definitely doable.
You just need to understand two things:
1. You can't be the entrepreneur, technician and manager. You need to create an organization first and define the roles clearly on paper.
2. You need a system to do things. Even the smallest of the things need to be part of a system. Systems helps you improve what is working and discard what isn't. What this means to you is that is helps you to repeat your success over and over until you make it big while preventing you from making the mistakes from the past.
It's easier said than done but these are the only two things you need for your goal.
Bonus tip: If you find my advise useful, learn a little about BPM (business process modelling). It help you organize and create systems faster (though I've learned everything the hard way).
If you're interested I'm doing a completely transparent blog series about my progress - https://blog.bugmuncher.com/2015/10/22/from-side-project-to-... and https://blog.bugmuncher.com/2015/10/22/from-side-project-to-...
Do you think a manual sales approach would help you? Like, find customers you think would like your product and cold email/call them.
If the latter, I'd encourage you to look around at ALL the potential means of making money with your skills, not just creating a webapp. That could include consulting, infoproducts, some kind of SEO / affiliate play, training, etc.
Of all the available means of making a boss-independent living on the Internet, webapps appear to be one of the slightly harder ones. By no means impossible, mind - it's nothing like trying to make a living from the arts, for example. There are plenty of people on and off HN who have done it. However, depending on your skillset, there may be more straightforward ways.
If I have to be extremely active in it, like consulting or training, then I'd just be creating another job for myself. I'd be less interested in that, as the goal is for asset growth.
Why is making a webapp slightly harder? The technical aspect, or are opportunities saturated, or the many hats you have to wear?
[1] I'm in the Bay Area with family. Alternatively, I can try to switch to software engineering for better pay, which is also one of the potential payoffs of building web apps.
With an infoproduct, you've basically got:
1) Screwed up your market research, no market. 2) Screwed up your marketing, no-one hears about you. 3) Screwed up the content, problem obvious.
With a webapp, you've got all sorts of design and usability issues. Features are non-obvious even once you've got the core value proposition down. Viral loop is trickier to engineer. Onboarding is a thing. And so on.
But that's just my guess.
It all comes down to the path you take to get there. The destination is totally possible. The path will determine whether you are able to get there or not.
Write down 5 of your best ideas on paper or wherever. Then leave it for a few days. If you think of a new idea someday, go back to that old list and check if that idea was already something you wrote before. Give it an extra point. Rinse and repeat until you realize that you keep coming back to one idea more than others. Pick that one. Of course, you could already believe strongly in an idea and then you don't ned to do all this.
Next step is to build a prototype of this idea. If you can build a web app yourself, then do it using the language/framework you are comfortable with. DO NOT think about whether this is the right language/framework. IT DOES NOT MATTER AT THIS TIME. Heck, use Wordpress to patch a bare minimum working prototype if you really need to. But you need to get something out there. Something that is not in your head but something concrete. It does not have to be pretty or slick. Trust me. The other side of it is that you will NEVER release something and that is worse than releasing garbage.
Work on getting traction on this. I don't know how to tell you every possible way to achieve this as this is where the real challenge is.
Once you get decent enough traction, then you can choose to quit your job if you can afford to do that. Save, save save. If you want to have another partner/help, think about getting that person on board. Or may be you want to remain solo. that is fine for the type of business you asked about.
Then you know what comes next ?Just fuckin quit your job!! I did that. Yes, you can do that. There will NEVER be a right time to do it. If you are ready, you are ready. Otherwise you are never ready. Don't think about what you will lose by quitting your job. That is small compared to what you may be gaining. But be ready to lose it all. Have that spirit. You will do fine.
All the best.
Find a group of founding customers so you are building something specific based on their feedback. Your motivation and profitability are accelerated by having such involved customers.
You can investigate such a large number of ideas before you have to start building anything.