I know this isn't normal fare for this crowd, but I'm genuinely interested in the perception of Bernie from Americans.
As your northern neighbor what I'm hearing from Bernie is what I had hoped we would have seen from Obama. But I'm really curious how Americans react when they see someone describe themself as a democratic socialist.
This American is too, and for similar reasons. Our last President put me firmly in the "left" camp. I was a Republican for a number of years. Honestly, I am not entirely sure what the party is now. I don't recognize it, and have genuine concern over it's ability to govern in a rational, meaningful way. Scary, to be blunt. Some of my former party is, "rubs shit in hair on TV" crazy too, to be blunt again.
No joke. What happened? I have my ideas, but I'll save those for another day. You asked for impressions, and I put that there for context. (sorry to my Republican friends here. I don't mean it bad, but that is how I really feel and I don't like that I feel that way at all.)
I'm in. Bernie has put a policy vision out there that is very well aligned with the best interests of most Americans. It's needed and appropriate right now.
Anecdotally, I can tell you:
A lot of my peers are very interested in Bernie. They worry over his ability to win the general election, and that's well justified given the state of our political dialog at present. It's largely broken, and there is a very strong economic bias in the media and much of education aligned against the ideas Bernie is advancing. And this, despite considerable history and data from other parts of the world that offer solid support for those ideas.
Young people are looking at Bernie. He doesn't have the sparkle Obama has. But, his message is resonant. Many have expressed considerable frustration to me. They don't see the value of participation. When reminded of our 8 years of Bush, they do give that some consideration.
I could sum this up as, "They are inclined to vote for whoever Bernie ends up voting for, if they vote at all."
Back to my peers: I'm rather ordinary in the scheme of things as are most of my peers. They are a variety of types, men, women, business owners, C and V level people, working people, minorities, etc... Mostly middle class, with a few outliers. I'm a middle aged, fairly well educated, ordinary white guy. :)
Well educated peers seem to focus on the practicalities. They know all the socialist FUD is garbage, but they also know an awful lot of people buy that garbage. Clinton is the favorite, and she's moderate risk too. They like moderate risks, and they like that, because they've had their share of trouble and remember the late '00's well.
Some of the more politically active ones are worried about the party excitement being tepid and how that can actually turn into non votes and how that empowers the Republican party. I have few peers very interested in the Republican party beyond entertainment purposes.
Most of my peers worry the Republicans could win, given enough apathy and or some serious mistake or gaffe on the part of Democrats. This also favors Clinton, as it's the stable, more expected, more moderate path. Extremism isn't favorable in most of my peers view. That's associated with controversy and that with bad economic times.
Most of my peers are worried about economic times. They have kids, those kids are living as a group suffering very significant unemployment and little buying power in a world that demands more of both from them. Bernie is attractive, but risky. What to do?
That question is being asked by more people than I expected.
I know a few people giving to Bernie regularly. I am. And that's unusual for my circle of familiar people. It's even more unusual to talk about it much.
I have been asked to do that by interested and motivated people twice, and it's not even election year. I find that notable.
Most of my peers are lefties of some sort or other. Nearly all of them are solid left on social issues. No brainer there. Why make life harder for some of us over what are pretty lame justifications, if they even are? Good, that's sorted, moving on then. Seriously, live and let live, and no one I know is without th...
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[ 4.8 ms ] story [ 16.9 ms ] threadAs your northern neighbor what I'm hearing from Bernie is what I had hoped we would have seen from Obama. But I'm really curious how Americans react when they see someone describe themself as a democratic socialist.
No joke. What happened? I have my ideas, but I'll save those for another day. You asked for impressions, and I put that there for context. (sorry to my Republican friends here. I don't mean it bad, but that is how I really feel and I don't like that I feel that way at all.)
I'm in. Bernie has put a policy vision out there that is very well aligned with the best interests of most Americans. It's needed and appropriate right now.
Anecdotally, I can tell you:
A lot of my peers are very interested in Bernie. They worry over his ability to win the general election, and that's well justified given the state of our political dialog at present. It's largely broken, and there is a very strong economic bias in the media and much of education aligned against the ideas Bernie is advancing. And this, despite considerable history and data from other parts of the world that offer solid support for those ideas.
Young people are looking at Bernie. He doesn't have the sparkle Obama has. But, his message is resonant. Many have expressed considerable frustration to me. They don't see the value of participation. When reminded of our 8 years of Bush, they do give that some consideration.
I could sum this up as, "They are inclined to vote for whoever Bernie ends up voting for, if they vote at all."
Back to my peers: I'm rather ordinary in the scheme of things as are most of my peers. They are a variety of types, men, women, business owners, C and V level people, working people, minorities, etc... Mostly middle class, with a few outliers. I'm a middle aged, fairly well educated, ordinary white guy. :)
Well educated peers seem to focus on the practicalities. They know all the socialist FUD is garbage, but they also know an awful lot of people buy that garbage. Clinton is the favorite, and she's moderate risk too. They like moderate risks, and they like that, because they've had their share of trouble and remember the late '00's well.
Some of the more politically active ones are worried about the party excitement being tepid and how that can actually turn into non votes and how that empowers the Republican party. I have few peers very interested in the Republican party beyond entertainment purposes.
Most of my peers worry the Republicans could win, given enough apathy and or some serious mistake or gaffe on the part of Democrats. This also favors Clinton, as it's the stable, more expected, more moderate path. Extremism isn't favorable in most of my peers view. That's associated with controversy and that with bad economic times.
Most of my peers are worried about economic times. They have kids, those kids are living as a group suffering very significant unemployment and little buying power in a world that demands more of both from them. Bernie is attractive, but risky. What to do?
That question is being asked by more people than I expected.
I know a few people giving to Bernie regularly. I am. And that's unusual for my circle of familiar people. It's even more unusual to talk about it much.
I have been asked to do that by interested and motivated people twice, and it's not even election year. I find that notable.
Most of my peers are lefties of some sort or other. Nearly all of them are solid left on social issues. No brainer there. Why make life harder for some of us over what are pretty lame justifications, if they even are? Good, that's sorted, moving on then. Seriously, live and let live, and no one I know is without th...