It's frustrating that many of these alternative approaches to accessing space (e.g. the space elevator) are "all or nothing", i.e. they require a massive investment just for performing preliminary experiments. Rockets (and to some extent space guns) can be built up incrementally, in range and capacity, which is probably a major reason they're so far ahead.
I'm not sure if miniature launch loops would be viable (i.e. self-supporting), but it should certainly be possible to build a space fountain up from the ground, at a very small scale. I'm still waiting to see it done though :(
Back when the web was relatively new (say 1998), NASA's Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) had a great page that enumerated most of the exotic alternative launch ideas and presented simple graphics and short formulas on what their problems were.
It was back when a much higher portion of people browsing the net could be expected to be relatively technically competent and to care about content and not gloss. Maybe it was removed since it didn't come up to some visual standard. Sadly I haven't been able to find it on archive.org
I can't help to think that given the size of the structure it would be almost impossible to guard, and would be highly susceptible to sabotage. (by groups against space colonization ?)
its an old idea and until my last search around two years ago I've found almost nothing.
In my infinite spare time (in retirement or something) I plan to build one of a scale large enough to launch something like a water balloon or maybe paintball payload a couple feet. I'm well aware there are simpler and more efficient ways to toss a water balloon ten or twenty feet, but its unlike there exist any cooler ways to do it. I would take it to the local maker faire and set it up next to the guy with the pumpkin trebuchet (every faire seems to have one of those guys).
It turns out that shock loads can be significant and dynamic stability is not exactly guaranteed, which makes it a cool engineering project. Also for small ones either the payload has to be extremely small (resulting in the paintball payload) or the loop has to be extremely heavy (probably not insurance approved, although it would be cool to spin up a length of hoist cable).
The one thing I have found is a cat or kid toy implementation radius about one foot. Its moderately cool. In order to eliminate or cut down on medical bills it has some elaborate and extremely fast motor current monitoring, which is usually the downfall of the toy.
If you're thinking the same thing I'm thinking, I wish you good luck. Its a cool project idea.
This topic comes up almost like clockwork on HN every couple years. Eventually I'll have something cool to demo.
I am unsuccessful at finding the kids toy. I owned one, maybe ten years ago. Hand held, black plastic...
An artist named Paolo Salvagione made an arduino controlled "string fountain" a bit less than a year ago on this principle. It would have to be dramatically up scaled to launch a paintball or similar. His artistic interpretation was the vibration modes of the string look nice and artsy, whereas the engineering launch device I'm thinking of would be a perfectly non-vibrating circle.
Awesome. Putting something on this string that tries to passively slightly bend the string while allowing the string to pass through should be enough to have it lifted and kept up.
Cool idea... though, along with the space fountain, it seems to have no non-cataclysmic failure modes. Though, there are proposed safety features to dump the cataclysm somewhere relatively safe.
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It would be one natural path towards actual spacefaring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-rocket_spacelaunch
Some ideas seem rather sci-fi :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain
It was back when a much higher portion of people browsing the net could be expected to be relatively technically competent and to care about content and not gloss. Maybe it was removed since it didn't come up to some visual standard. Sadly I haven't been able to find it on archive.org
A catapult might be a more compact solution :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-rocket_spacelaunch#Project...
The high gravity and atmosphere becomes a problem for all such stationary schemes here on earth.
In my infinite spare time (in retirement or something) I plan to build one of a scale large enough to launch something like a water balloon or maybe paintball payload a couple feet. I'm well aware there are simpler and more efficient ways to toss a water balloon ten or twenty feet, but its unlike there exist any cooler ways to do it. I would take it to the local maker faire and set it up next to the guy with the pumpkin trebuchet (every faire seems to have one of those guys).
It turns out that shock loads can be significant and dynamic stability is not exactly guaranteed, which makes it a cool engineering project. Also for small ones either the payload has to be extremely small (resulting in the paintball payload) or the loop has to be extremely heavy (probably not insurance approved, although it would be cool to spin up a length of hoist cable).
The one thing I have found is a cat or kid toy implementation radius about one foot. Its moderately cool. In order to eliminate or cut down on medical bills it has some elaborate and extremely fast motor current monitoring, which is usually the downfall of the toy.
If you're thinking the same thing I'm thinking, I wish you good luck. Its a cool project idea.
This topic comes up almost like clockwork on HN every couple years. Eventually I'll have something cool to demo.
- Citation please :)
An artist named Paolo Salvagione made an arduino controlled "string fountain" a bit less than a year ago on this principle. It would have to be dramatically up scaled to launch a paintball or similar. His artistic interpretation was the vibration modes of the string look nice and artsy, whereas the engineering launch device I'm thinking of would be a perfectly non-vibrating circle.