Ask HN: Do you have any patents?

I am named as the inventor on a patent which is held by my employer, we have lawyers to do most of the law stuff, but they make us do a bunch of work first before we start costing lawyer time.

Searching for patents online is fairly trivial, but time consuming. I'm assuming you're in the US (I'm not, but the value of most patents is that they are not yet patented in the US, so we did our patent search there). http://patft.uspto.gov/

As far as patentable, I can't really comment. I am extremely disappointed that the Amazon single click purchase was awarded as a patent as I don't believe it is non-obvious. I'm not too far off the same belief for my own patent, but a bunch of experts had looked at the problem before and didn't get to my solution. They thought my solution was elegant and decided to patent it. At the same time, we mostly patented because that is what the higher-ups like to measure. I can't imagine my patent every actually being used for monetary gain.

So, you don't want to be a patent troll, but you have an idea. Do a patent search, see if it is already patented, but more important, do a search to see if anybody has come up with a solution that is close to yours. If the concept is already in the public domain, or something close enough, than you can't patent it.

The big question is why do you want to patent it. You say you don't want to be a patent troll. Will you be building a business around this patent? Can it be used in your existing business? Do you have the ability to make your invention into a viable product?

What is your definition of a patent troll?

As pedalpete mentioned, most of the time you'll want to do the bulk of the prority research yourself before you start costing lawyer and/or patent agent* time.

We submitted a few patent applications during my master's research project, that the university eventually bailed out on due to the industrial partner pulling out.

The patent agents basically pulled a list of a few hundred (might have been a few thousand, there were many duplicates though) patents we had to go through and make sure they weren't prior art. We mainly used google patents. We reduced that list to less than 10 patents, which we then we through in detail with the agents, them explaining to us the subtleties of the law and patent specific language (words on patents don't always mean what you think they mean) and us explaining the technical aspects of our invention and how it's different.

Overall though, I came out of the whole process feeling like the utility of patents for the independent inventor is very limited. Not to mention the initial time and cost to apply for a patent, think about the eventual cost if you need to actually defend it in court, ie, make actual use of the patent. Is protecting your invention worth this?

You might want to file a provisional patent as you think about the commercial viability of the patent.

http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2013/10/19/good-bad-ugly-truth-abo...

"Another thing inventors can do to reduce costs is to first start by filing a provisional patent application. A provisional patent application needs to disclose the invention completely as would a nonprovisional patent application, but the exact formalities are greatly reduced making it easier to prepare, meaning it costs less. We can attach documents to support the originally drafted provisional patent application, and we focus on getting as much as possible into the document. In my experience most inventors who pursue the provisional do so because they have made an interesting advance and want to protect what they can now while they continue to refine and work on the invention. Done in that way a provisional patent application makes all the sense in the world because it gives you protection with respect to what you have presently and lets you continue to work to improve the invention over 12 months before you need to file a nonprovisional patent application.

The cost for attorney time alone for a provisional patent application is typically at least $2,000. The filing fee is $130 for a small entity and drawings typically cost $100 to $125 per page, so a high quality provisional patent application for a mechanical or electrical device can typically be prepared and filed for $2,500 to $3,000. As with nonprovisional patent applications, the technology involved and the complexity of the invention do greatly affect the quoted price for a provisional patent application. For example, for computer related inventions and software the cost to prepare and file a provisional patent application is typically $6,000 plus the filing fee and drawing costs. The increased cost for a high quality provisional patent application that deals with software is due to the reality that so much more information is required in these applications. You really need to describe the complete architecture of the system and drill down to the algorithms, routines and sub-routines. See A Guide to Patenting Software, Building Better Software Patents and Patenting Business Methods and Software in the U.S. Of course, these are just ballpark estimates."

http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2015/04/04/the-cost-of-obtaining-a...

Some people just prepare their own provisional patent, without the help of an attorney, but you might not get the protection you want if you do this.

Yes, I do.

Yes, in practice, you want a lawyer to arrange one.

Really, though, I don't think you want a patent at all.

It will take many years from the time you arrange to have the patent filed (and those arrangements will take a long time too) to the point where you get the patent.

You'll get the patent; to a first approximation, everyone does.

But having the patent --- again, maybe 5-7 years after you file --- all you'll have gained is the right to one more way to threaten lawsuits.

Those lawsuits will themselves take years and years to resolve, and they'll be unimaginably expensive, even if you have an excellent case.

Patents and patent licensing businesses are a shitload of boring, depressing work. There are much better, much easier ways to make money.