A few of the statements by Miano, are factually wrong, and that's very troubling from someone who gives expert testimony to the Congress.
>100,000 workers from India alone will now be 'unleashed into the job market.'
>And that's just from India, which Miano said accounts for roughly three-quarters of the waiting list.
>Of course, DHS' vague reporting means the green card line could also be shorter than that, he acknowledged.
What???!!!
These people are already in the job market, actively working at this moment. The new rule will make it easier for them to switch jobs, thus making the job market more fair for American workers, since American companies(including staffing agencies) will have to pay more to retain these workers instead of paying them low by holding their visa hostage.
>'And now we have this regulation, and it allows huge classes of aliens to work,' he said.
They're already working!!!!!! @&^#@^#@^&#
>After 10 years, 'if you're in the queue you would go home,' he said.
Wrong, there is no limitation on the number of years, I know people from China and India who are in the queue for more than 12 years.
I find it hard to digest that someone who is paid to work on these mattters full time can get so many facts wrong.
The source is Breitbart, and both articles starting with "The Obama Administration...." should give you a clue that this is a hit piece and will not just bend facts, but outirght lie.
Miano is just trying to sell his new book about this matter, co-authored with Michelle Malkin, a right wing Fox News contributor. So the more lies they can pile in, the better for them.
Also, they don't like these new rules because big business can no longer stagnate wages for many immigrants stuck for decades in the immigration backlog.
I guess they don't also don't like this provision which makes it easier to report employer abuses:
>H-1B Whistleblowers: Establishing special eligibility for otherwise unavailable extensions and changes of status for H-1B “whistleblowers” who face retaliation for reporting an employer’s violation of an H-1B Labor Condition Application
>I find it hard to digest that someone who is paid to work on these mattters full time can get so many facts wrong.
Simple, think of them like you do used cars salesmen or lawyers, their job is to lie even if they know the truth, and their audience will know no better, so it works very well.
I agree that Breitbart is not a credible news organization and that Michelle Malkin wants to be another Ann Coulter, but I would hesitate to say that she's in big business's pocket.
>The book's publication follows media reporting that Pfizer,[4] Southern California Edison,[5] and Walt Disney World to name a few, have each forced hundreds of employees to train their foreign replacements or risk their severance, unemployment eligibility and professional references.[6] Additional studies cited conclude that a high percentage of qualified U.S. STEM professionals are unable to find employment in their field.[4][7]
This is not to imply that the book is truth-filled, more that there may not be an alignment on this issue between Michelle Malkin and the rest of her peers.
You are missing the fact that these are a potential additional 100,000 positions. Those who leave the H1-B program for this program then free up those existing H1-B quota slots to be "reoccupied" by others. The net number goes up by the full 100,000 (or however many are awarded).
BTW, the Sessions quote is in regard to H-2 visas, not H1-B or L-1 etc. H-2 variants are primarily agricultural.
>You are missing the fact that these are a potential additional 100,000 positions. Those who leave the H1-B program for this program then free up those existing H1-B quota slots to be "reoccupied" by others. The net number goes up by the full 100,000 (or however many are awarded).
Sorry but that couldn't be more wrong. There is no total H1-B quota. Only 65,000 new visas are awarded annually, renewable upto 6 years. After 6 years, they're renewable only if there is a pending green card application in valid status and they continue to work. The renewals don't count under the 65,000 quota. There will be exactly zero positions that can be "reoccupied" if these folks get a work permit or even a green card.
>BTW, the Sessions quote is in regard to H-2 visas, not H1-B or L-1 etc. H-2 variants are primarily agricultural.
Which Sessions quote are you referring to? I think all of my quotes were by Miano?
Why will companies pay more when the labor supply will increase? The same company that was hiring foreign workers to save a buck won't pay extra to retain that worker. That company will now hire other entry level foreign workers who they can pay peanuts instead, who they can now hire because another company isn't holding their visa hostage anymore.
There aren't many alternatives in this case, as every place that has covered this news is very right wing media. They have links to the sources though, and while I do not agree with their spin at all (I think this is a wonderful thing) there's at factual information in there.
What's the difference between importing 100k skilled people and growing them in the US? Besides being able to choose the most educated inmigrants. If inmigrants undercut American workers, then so do other American workers.
This might be a double edge sword from the green card seekers point of view.
On one hand, people already in the process would be able to negotiate and/or seek new employers.
On the other hand it would be harder to convince employers about new sponsorships because the "you will retain me for 10+ years" argument will not be valid anymore.
Overall it would be a big improvement on the current system and would certainly clean up some of the "cheap labor vs. talent shortage" mess.
> On the other hand it would be harder to convince employers about new sponsorships because the "you will retain me for 10+ years" argument will not be valid anymore
But the "sponsor me or I'll leave for some place that will" argument now applies.
Also removes the issue of wanting a green card desperately but also wanting to move on from your current job.
Given the layoffs that are occurring around the country (from a shrinking economy to corporate consolidation and subsequent downsizing), this is troubling.
While it's true that India is a third world country, I'm surprised that so many want to get away from it rather than improve it.
But in the end, I think this will destroy the H1B system. Unshackling workers from employers (which allows them to abuse the employees since they can't move to other companies) will be its undoing.
You can spin this anyway you want but when projections indicate that the largest Immigrant Group in Texas will be Indians displacing Mexicans, well that should say something.
They aren't coming here to lay brick or pave roads. They are here to do IT work. I know of several companies that employ thousands of people in the DFW Area and the staff is 40% Indian. 10 - 15 years ago it would have been odd to even see a handful.
The trend is fuck the American worker. Let's hire an Indian. We can work the shit out of him/her and pay them less. Do you think the customer cares.
I'm winding down my career so no matter. But for the rest of you and the kids that want a chance....good luck....
As a white thirteenth-generation American, I'm perfectly happy with more people from India in this country, especially if it means they might change what it means to be "Texan."
The only Daily Mail (!) article with significant upvotes [1] on HN is this one, and I wonder if it is a coincidence that it is about immigration, a topic that often inspires heated debates and attracts misinformed commenters on HN.
The only Daily Mail (!) article with significant upvotes [1] on HN is this one, and I wonder if it is a coincidence that it is about immigration, a topic that often inspires heated debates and attracts misinformed commenters on HN.
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 52.8 ms ] thread>100,000 workers from India alone will now be 'unleashed into the job market.'
>And that's just from India, which Miano said accounts for roughly three-quarters of the waiting list.
>Of course, DHS' vague reporting means the green card line could also be shorter than that, he acknowledged.
What???!!!
These people are already in the job market, actively working at this moment. The new rule will make it easier for them to switch jobs, thus making the job market more fair for American workers, since American companies(including staffing agencies) will have to pay more to retain these workers instead of paying them low by holding their visa hostage.
>'And now we have this regulation, and it allows huge classes of aliens to work,' he said.
They're already working!!!!!! @&^#@^#@^&#
>After 10 years, 'if you're in the queue you would go home,' he said.
Wrong, there is no limitation on the number of years, I know people from China and India who are in the queue for more than 12 years.
I find it hard to digest that someone who is paid to work on these mattters full time can get so many facts wrong.
Here is the linked legal analysis which is much more succinct and fact based:
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=fbbbbf91-15c2-...
The source is Breitbart, and both articles starting with "The Obama Administration...." should give you a clue that this is a hit piece and will not just bend facts, but outirght lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News_Network
Miano is just trying to sell his new book about this matter, co-authored with Michelle Malkin, a right wing Fox News contributor. So the more lies they can pile in, the better for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Malkin
Also, they don't like these new rules because big business can no longer stagnate wages for many immigrants stuck for decades in the immigration backlog.
I guess they don't also don't like this provision which makes it easier to report employer abuses:
>H-1B Whistleblowers: Establishing special eligibility for otherwise unavailable extensions and changes of status for H-1B “whistleblowers” who face retaliation for reporting an employer’s violation of an H-1B Labor Condition Application
>I find it hard to digest that someone who is paid to work on these mattters full time can get so many facts wrong.
Simple, think of them like you do used cars salesmen or lawyers, their job is to lie even if they know the truth, and their audience will know no better, so it works very well.
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sold_Out_(book):
>The book's publication follows media reporting that Pfizer,[4] Southern California Edison,[5] and Walt Disney World to name a few, have each forced hundreds of employees to train their foreign replacements or risk their severance, unemployment eligibility and professional references.[6] Additional studies cited conclude that a high percentage of qualified U.S. STEM professionals are unable to find employment in their field.[4][7]
This is not to imply that the book is truth-filled, more that there may not be an alignment on this issue between Michelle Malkin and the rest of her peers.
BTW, the Sessions quote is in regard to H-2 visas, not H1-B or L-1 etc. H-2 variants are primarily agricultural.
Sorry but that couldn't be more wrong. There is no total H1-B quota. Only 65,000 new visas are awarded annually, renewable upto 6 years. After 6 years, they're renewable only if there is a pending green card application in valid status and they continue to work. The renewals don't count under the 65,000 quota. There will be exactly zero positions that can be "reoccupied" if these folks get a work permit or even a green card.
>BTW, the Sessions quote is in regard to H-2 visas, not H1-B or L-1 etc. H-2 variants are primarily agricultural.
Which Sessions quote are you referring to? I think all of my quotes were by Miano?
we do let go a big majority because they suck. this will just be another no-child-left-behind for the bad ones.
thank you, Obama.
On one hand, people already in the process would be able to negotiate and/or seek new employers.
On the other hand it would be harder to convince employers about new sponsorships because the "you will retain me for 10+ years" argument will not be valid anymore.
Overall it would be a big improvement on the current system and would certainly clean up some of the "cheap labor vs. talent shortage" mess.
But the "sponsor me or I'll leave for some place that will" argument now applies.
Also removes the issue of wanting a green card desperately but also wanting to move on from your current job.
While it's true that India is a third world country, I'm surprised that so many want to get away from it rather than improve it.
But in the end, I think this will destroy the H1B system. Unshackling workers from employers (which allows them to abuse the employees since they can't move to other companies) will be its undoing.
They aren't coming here to lay brick or pave roads. They are here to do IT work. I know of several companies that employ thousands of people in the DFW Area and the staff is 40% Indian. 10 - 15 years ago it would have been odd to even see a handful.
The trend is fuck the American worker. Let's hire an Indian. We can work the shit out of him/her and pay them less. Do you think the customer cares.
I'm winding down my career so no matter. But for the rest of you and the kids that want a chance....good luck....
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=dailymail.co.uk
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=dailymail.co.uk