Same here. When I recently had to upload a 3 GB file, I split it in 3 and uploaded one part with each of my (3G) phones… 45 minutes instead of the 4 hours it would have taken me with my ADSL line.
Humor aside, non-durable construction creates more electronic waste. For a place with 1 billion+ people I'd think twice before creating something that won't last.
How about if it was made with more recyclable material? Or if it was made using recycled material (not the same thing as the first) Phones generally are not recyclable.
I'd imagine there being a balance point of the volume of waste and the environmental effect.
I'm not up to date on leading edge hardware, but this seems impressive especially for that price. Is there some sort of catch? This would be great to root and mess around with.
Seems there must be. I'm assuming this is with some kind of plan or contract. The price is below the cost of the components it seems to me. The quad core 1.3GHz ARM processor alone is probably worth more than $4. The display panel and flash probably are also each worth $4 or more.
If these cellphones can really be bought for $4, then I want to buy 100 and network them into a cluster.
Forget the whole "smart" features in the phone. I am extremely happy if I am able to make calls with this phone, message peeps through Whatsapp, update status on Facebook. As a power user, I'm sure most of us wouldn't want this phone, but imagine the power this could give to the poor people in India. With just Rs.251, communication is just one touch away. This is going to make the farmer, fishermen, plumber, merchants far more connected, productive and simply get onto to the internet and explore the taste of connectivity. I'm definitely thrilled to see the outcome of this. My only fear is the subsidies that the government has poured into this.
Rs.251 is what I spend for a tasty dinner. If someone could have a phone for that cost, why the hell not.
For one, advertised components are not always in the actual phone. Two, licensing fees are probably not paid, given that they are ~7$ for a 3G handset.
Still, $4 is undoable. Cheapest Spreadtrum 2G SOC with WiFi/BT/Sim holder/camera will go over that amount.
EDIT: I was unaware of the issues of the Nexus 7. Seeing that they are not related to the phone's specs, my previous statements no longer hold.
Also, this has very similar specs to the 2012 Nexus 7 which is basically unusable with Android 5.1
Unusable meaning up to 20 seconds delay between a tap and the expected app opening up or the keyboard showing. Random hangs with the question if you want to kill the offending app.
I don't expect a $4 phone to be fast but unless there are some major differences, I think you'd just get $4 worth of frustration.
Interestingly, I have a $99 smartphone with quadcore 1.3GHz cpu, 1GB of RAM and a 720p 5" screen, and it works marvelously. No lag, keyboard works as it should, can play 1080p video without any issues, 2100mAh battery lasts for a day. I don't think that 2012 phones are the same as 2015/16 phones. As a x86 dual core 1.6GHz cpu from today and 4 years ago is not the same.
I had Moto G 2nd gen which is similar specs. Said I had, because it was so slow I couldn't use it at all.
So slow that calls would drop because phone app took 10sec to open.
Just to give a counter-anecdote: I still use a 1st gen Moto G. I previously had a mid-range HTC and a low-end Samsung phone. The Moto G is without doubt the best Android phone I owned so far.
I have Moto G 1st gen, and the phone app starts instantly, loads fully in around 1sec. You probably have some malware running, or forgot to close all the apps in the background.
I use the first Moto G LTE they came out with. (The specs really don't change much from phone to phone.) It works for me the only other phone I've used before it was a Galaxy S III US Version.
At first it had a horrible bug that unloaded apps all the time. I and many others assumed the 1GB of RAM was the culprit. It wasn't. Unfortunately, we had to wait for the Lollipop update for it to get fixed.
If it weren't for the firmware issues and the fact that they waited so long to fix it I would buy another Motorola/Lenovo phone to replace it. Since it broke sometime ago.
I have a cheap Asus tablet with a quad core 1.3 ghz mediatek CPU and 1 gb of ram that is perfectly usable. It is not as smooth as my iPhone and there are delays but nothing like you describe.
Yeah, supposedly there is something wrong with the flash controller. It doesn't do a good job of wear leveling, or has a buggy/slow implementation of garbage collection, or something in that vein.
AFAIK your issues with the 2012 Nexus 7 are well known to be caused by the storage memory of the device, it degrades really rapidly. Upgrading to 5.1 just makes it more pronounced. Other devices of the same age don't suffer from it.
I agree that I am definitely not the target market.
However, if you constantly wonder if the thing is actually doing anything, if it registered your touches, apps disappearing because they were killed by the OS, the whole thing will just not be discoverable or learnable and will be discarded as not useful, even by people who never used another phone.
My Nexus 7 (2012) was exactly the same... Lost my phone last week and needed a device to use in the meantime. Installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 on the Nexus and it's measures of magnitude better!
It's around a year ago, but I don't think technology has gotten cheap enough in that span of time for even a $4 dumb phone now. This one is pretty close though:
You won't be getting this for $4 next year. The margin of profit is already so small, no body is going build phones and sell them for profits of a chewing gum.
But you can bet a $100 phone will be available for $30 very soon.
Unlike Datawind, this doesn't seem to have announced any Government affiliation. If government has subsided any of its costs then government is in a lot of trouble as transparency is the key to democracy and nothing about such a project was ever announced.
On the contrary, it seems it's doing what the article suggested.
i.e. instead of trying to be the next Samsung, doing R&D and manufacturing of your own new smartphone tech and reinventing the wheel, they're just importing low-cost (maybe ± $40) existing phones from China and subsidising them to be dirt cheap ($4). Exactly like the article you linked to suggests:
> To bridge the digital divide — an avowed goal — it could have simply contracted a company in Taiwan and imported the tablets and sold it at subsidized rates to students. The cost would have been nominal — after all, the Indian government is subsidizing the cost of Aakash 1, which costs $50 to produce — and the tablets would have reached students sooner.
It is probably a loss leader to create a splash. It does not seem to be supported by the Govt. Likely, only a few will be in stock at that price. Later the price will increase or the model will be discontinued.
Yeah. Too bad Facebook's self-interest was so blatant; if their technology offering had matched their rhetoric it really could have been something amazing.
Clearly, $4 is far below the cost of the components listed. Assuming this is a legit offer - how are they doing it? One possible explanation - maybe it is supported by ads. They are counting on revenues generated by ads within the various applications - inlcuding search. If you notice the Search screen does not show a Google logo - it looks like a reskinned version of Google's home page. So presumably it could generate revenue via Adsense. Not sure if this is allowed as per Android Licensing terms for OEMs though but it could be an explanation.
The nation has a severe problem of inequality. You have villages that are bordering on pre-industrial, at the same time as you have near scifi highrises in the cities.
I recall one project that basically equipped young ladies with a bicycle and a laptop loaded with textbooks on everything from agriculture to medicine. The ladies would then cycle between villages and help improve crop yields and diagnose illnesses.
Those aren't subsidized, they are loss leaders instead. You're supposed to buy more of something else or they're dumping ancient hardware nobody wants for low prices.
These phones need to start becoming recyclable, not just electronics recyclable, but plastic lot recyclable.
Screens are difficult to be made of plastic right now, but someone is working on a replacement to LED lights that uses plastic instead. So there is promise here.
That leaves the battery. I cannot think of a recyclable material (plastic or aluminum metal) to replace the battery. When that happens, I think such $4 smartphones will not be damaging to the environment.
Why? Phones are very small, so the amount of material in them is small, too. Compared to most other things one could do for the environment, this seems like it would be a waste of effort.
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[ 4.8 ms ] story [ 167 ms ] threadSpecifications at a glance:
-- Android Lollipop 5.1
-- 4 inch qHD display
-- 1.3 Ghz Quadcore processor
-- 1 GB RAM
-- 8 GB internal memory, expandable to 32 GB
-- 1450 mAh battery
-- 3.2 MP AF Rear camera, .3 MP Front
Developers should actually test their websites at 3G speeds and latency.
I'd imagine there being a balance point of the volume of waste and the environmental effect.
People recover the gold. One ton of ore gives one gram of gold; you get about a gram from about 40-50 smart phones.
What a beautiful acronym. I only see the HD part.
If these cellphones can really be bought for $4, then I want to buy 100 and network them into a cluster.
Rs.251 is what I spend for a tasty dinner. If someone could have a phone for that cost, why the hell not.
Still, $4 is undoable. Cheapest Spreadtrum 2G SOC with WiFi/BT/Sim holder/camera will go over that amount.
"Indians like to shit on streets -- no doubt. They would rather spend monies on Iphones that get themselves a toilet."
[1] http://theplanetd.com/india-is-filthy/
[2] http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2013/11/indians-and-their-sh...
Also, this has very similar specs to the 2012 Nexus 7 which is basically unusable with Android 5.1
Unusable meaning up to 20 seconds delay between a tap and the expected app opening up or the keyboard showing. Random hangs with the question if you want to kill the offending app.
I don't expect a $4 phone to be fast but unless there are some major differences, I think you'd just get $4 worth of frustration.
edit: cpu 1.6 to 1.3 ghz
At first it had a horrible bug that unloaded apps all the time. I and many others assumed the 1GB of RAM was the culprit. It wasn't. Unfortunately, we had to wait for the Lollipop update for it to get fixed.
If it weren't for the firmware issues and the fact that they waited so long to fix it I would buy another Motorola/Lenovo phone to replace it. Since it broke sometime ago.
Ah, but frustration arises when you know there's something better.
If you've never used ANY computing device before, you'd think the 20 second delay was normal.
This phone is targeting people who've never used any computing device other than a dumb phone. Some haven't even used dumb phones.
I can't believe people are knocking this phone here for its "eh, it's slow". You are NOT the target market. You are so, so not the target market.
However, if you constantly wonder if the thing is actually doing anything, if it registered your touches, apps disappearing because they were killed by the OS, the whole thing will just not be discoverable or learnable and will be discarded as not useful, even by people who never used another phone.
Really?
The 2013 works with no real issues.
Now to fix the rubbish WiFi reception.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9568004
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9558854
It's around a year ago, but I don't think technology has gotten cheap enough in that span of time for even a $4 dumb phone now. This one is pretty close though:
http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=3107
Edit: why does it look so iPhone-ish?
But it has a color display, bluetooth, is capable of playing mp3. What if they removed that?
You underestimate how far we have come, here is $30 phone : http://www.walmart.com/ip/44465710
You won't be getting this for $4 next year. The margin of profit is already so small, no body is going build phones and sell them for profits of a chewing gum.
But you can bet a $100 phone will be available for $30 very soon.
this is China.
they aren't really in to enforcing up.
A company over-promises, the Government over-funds, and the product under-delivers.
i.e. instead of trying to be the next Samsung, doing R&D and manufacturing of your own new smartphone tech and reinventing the wheel, they're just importing low-cost (maybe ± $40) existing phones from China and subsidising them to be dirt cheap ($4). Exactly like the article you linked to suggests:
> To bridge the digital divide — an avowed goal — it could have simply contracted a company in Taiwan and imported the tablets and sold it at subsidized rates to students. The cost would have been nominal — after all, the Indian government is subsidizing the cost of Aakash 1, which costs $50 to produce — and the tablets would have reached students sooner.
The nation has a severe problem of inequality. You have villages that are bordering on pre-industrial, at the same time as you have near scifi highrises in the cities.
I recall one project that basically equipped young ladies with a bicycle and a laptop loaded with textbooks on everything from agriculture to medicine. The ladies would then cycle between villages and help improve crop yields and diagnose illnesses.
In fact they are almost exactly the same specs as the freedom one.
Screens are difficult to be made of plastic right now, but someone is working on a replacement to LED lights that uses plastic instead. So there is promise here.
That leaves the battery. I cannot think of a recyclable material (plastic or aluminum metal) to replace the battery. When that happens, I think such $4 smartphones will not be damaging to the environment.
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