I have thought about it. There is a lot of data behind the scenes on how the news sites are behaving; when they post, when they make edits, what kind of updates they make etc and also I run some NLP on the stored data to try to find what edits are more important, that data isn't displayed anywhere at the moment.
It still isn't totally clear to me who the customer would be though and the basic features (i.e. how it is now) will always remain free.
At the moment it is still a little buggy, especially displaying the diffs on the page, so I am focused mainly on ironing that out.
I really like this, and agree that the diffs need to be clearer since it's not easy to get a Wikipedia-like overview of how a page has changed between the earliest and latest editions. AFAICT, you have to step through a version at a time and it can be tricky to see the overall, cumulative effect of all the edits (please tell me if I'm wrong).
But it's fascinating and very worthwhile to see how the articles change over time. I've often wondered in broadcast media how editors make their decisions about which parts of the story to (de)emphasize as it develops during the day, with earlier versions often seeming to have a completely different spin from the later ones. I suppose partly they've had time to think about it, more information has become available, and I also suspect lobbyists and other interested parties have been on the phone.
You're right that at the moment you need to step through each change separately. I'll soon add some more information to the popup so you can get a better idea at least of the size of the changes.
Since I started working on the project 6 months or so ago, I've also been fascinated how much the stories change. I knew before I started that changes were being made, but the frequency and size really surprised me. Most of the changes are grammar/spelling, additional content (as new information comes through) or updating images, which is what you'd expect. But it's surprising how often I've seen the wording altered to give a slightly different meaning, perhaps where an editor has come in with different sentiments.
These edits also obviously mean that when you share an article with someone, what they read is different to what you shared. So I'd also like to add the option to share a fixed version of an article.
> Analysis: what’s behind the problems of Generation Y?
> Millennials are picking up the tab for the western world’s most stunning accounting disaster to date. No one expected people to live as long as they are, and in such great numbers. Pensions that were promised in the past, and seemed ordinary at the time, are now onerously over-generous, and that is hurting young adults today.
> Jonathan Gardner, a senior (Generation X) economist at Willis Towers Watson, one of the world’s largest insurance brokers and pension advisory services, says the retired are hoovering up so much cash that there is no money left for salary increases.
> “For various reasons, not enough was paid in, in the past, which is leaving deficits and the company [employer] has to pay,” he said. “People say the company should pay this and the company should pay that, but it’s like most things: if the company is paying something the money comes from somewhere, and it tends to affect workers.”
> In the end, said Gardner: “It’s the young who are bearing the burden of those past [pension] mistakes.”
> Democratic imbalance
> Pensioner demands are not just beating down the financial prospects of new employees. Retirees are also winning more from governments than they did a generation ago. Our figures show double-digit, real-terms growth in social transfers – what governments give out – over 30 years to pensioners aged 65-79, ranging from as low as 26% in Germany to 146% in the UK.
> UK incomes
> And once again, young people are the ones paying the price. Laurence Kotlikoff (baby boomer), a professor of economics at Boston University, is astounded at what has happened, especially in America. “The US is out to bankrupt its children.”
> The former head of the US Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, said that although he believed the issue was paramount, he firmly believed it was not the job of central banks to address it. “The types of policies relevant to changing demographics are mostly fiscal in nature, and are consequently Congress’s responsibility,” he said.
> There is of course the flip side to these startling shifts in demography. In most countries in the set studied by the Guardian, young adults are now a smaller part of the workforce than was the case 30 years ago. Theoretically, this should have resulted in a rise in millennial wages, says James Pomeroy (Generation Y), an HSBC economist who published a report on demography last year. Fewer workers means more bargaining power with employers, he said.
> However, this has all been turned on its head by globalisation. In the past 30 years, liberalisation has allowed companies to outsource aggressively. Everything from telephone helplines to legal services to computer programmers are now being provided by outsourcing companies in countries such as India or China.
> “That global workforce is easier to tap than ever,” said Pomeroy. “That means it’s not so good for your ‘in-demand’ 25-year-old.” The result: a slump in real wages over the past three decades for 25-29 year olds in several countries.
> Once again it is only Generation Y suffering this fate. Using figures from 2010, most five-year cohorts from 40 to 65 posted positive pay growth compared with people of the same age 30 years earlier. In the US, Spain and Italy, the older you are in the workplace, the higher those wage increases have been.
> The consequences
> All this prompts an immediate question about the sustainability of economic growth as a whole. For example, what will happen to consumption?
I just took a look and I can see what happened; A couple hours after the change where they deleted so much content, there is another change where the following is added:
So it looks like they decided to shorten the article and take some of the content to make a separate feature. An interesting find! I hadn't seen any like that before. Thanks for submitting.
Any chance that it’ll be open sourced so it can be ported to other browsers? I’d love something like this but I refuse to use Chrome and I’d be willing to put in the time needed to port it.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 41.8 ms ] threadIt still isn't totally clear to me who the customer would be though and the basic features (i.e. how it is now) will always remain free.
At the moment it is still a little buggy, especially displaying the diffs on the page, so I am focused mainly on ironing that out.
But it's fascinating and very worthwhile to see how the articles change over time. I've often wondered in broadcast media how editors make their decisions about which parts of the story to (de)emphasize as it develops during the day, with earlier versions often seeming to have a completely different spin from the later ones. I suppose partly they've had time to think about it, more information has become available, and I also suspect lobbyists and other interested parties have been on the phone.
Thanks :)
You're right that at the moment you need to step through each change separately. I'll soon add some more information to the popup so you can get a better idea at least of the size of the changes.
Since I started working on the project 6 months or so ago, I've also been fascinated how much the stories change. I knew before I started that changes were being made, but the frequency and size really surprised me. Most of the changes are grammar/spelling, additional content (as new information comes through) or updating images, which is what you'd expect. But it's surprising how often I've seen the wording altered to give a slightly different meaning, perhaps where an editor has come in with different sentiments.
These edits also obviously mean that when you share an article with someone, what they read is different to what you shared. So I'd also like to add the option to share a fixed version of an article.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/revealed-30-yea...
Everything below was lost, I wonder why?
> Analysis: what’s behind the problems of Generation Y?
> Millennials are picking up the tab for the western world’s most stunning accounting disaster to date. No one expected people to live as long as they are, and in such great numbers. Pensions that were promised in the past, and seemed ordinary at the time, are now onerously over-generous, and that is hurting young adults today.
> Jonathan Gardner, a senior (Generation X) economist at Willis Towers Watson, one of the world’s largest insurance brokers and pension advisory services, says the retired are hoovering up so much cash that there is no money left for salary increases.
> “For various reasons, not enough was paid in, in the past, which is leaving deficits and the company [employer] has to pay,” he said. “People say the company should pay this and the company should pay that, but it’s like most things: if the company is paying something the money comes from somewhere, and it tends to affect workers.”
> In the end, said Gardner: “It’s the young who are bearing the burden of those past [pension] mistakes.”
> Democratic imbalance
> Pensioner demands are not just beating down the financial prospects of new employees. Retirees are also winning more from governments than they did a generation ago. Our figures show double-digit, real-terms growth in social transfers – what governments give out – over 30 years to pensioners aged 65-79, ranging from as low as 26% in Germany to 146% in the UK.
> UK incomes
> And once again, young people are the ones paying the price. Laurence Kotlikoff (baby boomer), a professor of economics at Boston University, is astounded at what has happened, especially in America. “The US is out to bankrupt its children.”
> The former head of the US Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, said that although he believed the issue was paramount, he firmly believed it was not the job of central banks to address it. “The types of policies relevant to changing demographics are mostly fiscal in nature, and are consequently Congress’s responsibility,” he said.
> There is of course the flip side to these startling shifts in demography. In most countries in the set studied by the Guardian, young adults are now a smaller part of the workforce than was the case 30 years ago. Theoretically, this should have resulted in a rise in millennial wages, says James Pomeroy (Generation Y), an HSBC economist who published a report on demography last year. Fewer workers means more bargaining power with employers, he said.
> However, this has all been turned on its head by globalisation. In the past 30 years, liberalisation has allowed companies to outsource aggressively. Everything from telephone helplines to legal services to computer programmers are now being provided by outsourcing companies in countries such as India or China.
> “That global workforce is easier to tap than ever,” said Pomeroy. “That means it’s not so good for your ‘in-demand’ 25-year-old.” The result: a slump in real wages over the past three decades for 25-29 year olds in several countries.
> Once again it is only Generation Y suffering this fate. Using figures from 2010, most five-year cohorts from 40 to 65 posted positive pay growth compared with people of the same age 30 years earlier. In the US, Spain and Italy, the older you are in the workplace, the higher those wage increases have been.
> The consequences
> All this prompts an immediate question about the sustainability of economic growth as a whole. For example, what will happen to consumption?
> Middle-aged western co...
Read on: [Generation Y – a guide to a much-maligned generation](http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/millennials- generation-y-guide-to-much-maligned-demographic)
So it looks like they decided to shorten the article and take some of the content to make a separate feature. An interesting find! I hadn't seen any like that before. Thanks for submitting.
The API is simple and open (albeit undocumented), so there is nothing to stop someone making a third party port now.