I upvoted the submission, mainly because Debian doesn't get the publicity and the recognition it deserves. Debian deserves a little love once in a while.
I've got a few new packages from the UK FTP site today, but if you've been keeping up to date generally there shouldn't be many updates.
This update is mainly for install media, so people installing fresh don't have to download months of updates before configuring their system for the first time.
Apparently he claimed to have been harassed by the police, but he also was said to be incoherent and violent in his behaviours.
Bruce Perens unnicely -at my opinion that is not the most reliable in the world- disclosed his mental illness. 1 day after on his blog and /.
The family also asked for discretion. A wish that has been followed by the majority of the community. Except people like me. Because, well, I wanted to understand.
I tried to see for similar cases with google news what happened, and a non scientifically screening of hundreds of case in the USA would tend to suggests that if the victim is categorized mentally ill then news about police violence does not seems to make it higher than local news.
I am just a little pea on the internet, I have no way to confirm my conclusions are right. It would require a true journalistic investigation to infirm of confirm the case.
The conclusion I drew for myself having attended FOSS for 10 years as a topic organizer in conferences is the level of freaks tended to be higher than on average. Still not a scientific conclusion.
I naively expected the community to be aware of that. My naive expectation is that the society would recognize the positive contribution of FOSS to the IT thus to the economy and thus would try to push harder on this case.
Apparently I am naïve or delusive according to the feedback I had on this story.
Well, I encourage people to make their own opinions and investigate with their own means.
While we're on the topic of Debian, am I the only one who finds it odd that Debian Jessie is apparently never going to support HTTP/2? It seems an unfortunate decision was made at some point to skip OpenSSL 1.0.2:
Nowhere have I been able to find any information regarding plans to backport OpenSSL 1.0.2+ to Jessie. With Google turning off SPDY in Chrome next month, the lack of HTTP/2 support makes Debian a rather poor environment as a web server.
I hope someone will point out that I'm wrong and that I've horribly misunderstood the current state of affairs. Otherwise, it seems like strong motivation to migrate our web applications to Ubuntu Xenial.
Nope, it's accurate (and a shame). We've split up our SSL termination for this exact reason. Instead of doing SSL and HTTP/2 on our application servers themselves, we put a box with Debian Stretch in front of it doing just proxying and stapling on HTTP/2 + SSL. Since the box has just one very limited responsibility that's easy to test we can afford running unstable software at that point.
> Debian Jessie is apparently never going to support HTTP/2?
I suppose it depends on what you mean. The, say, nginx package in jessie itself won't get new features (by design) but the backports repositories -- which are now official -- have an nginx that supports HTTP/2. Am happily serving HTTP/2 from jessie right now :)
This won't be the answer you are looking for but let's face some bitter truth: I have been running Linux on my laptops since 2004 and in my experience it's always a struggle (servers since 1993 are happy, it's the desktop that suffers). As of right now, this struggle no longer worths it. Just use Winux (my made up name for the Ubuntu userspace under Windows 10 plus perhaps Xming).
I've been predominantly a Linux user on desktop/laptop since 1995. It has literally never been easier; to install, to use, to find hardware that works (even weird stuff like pro audio devices and oddball controllers), and to act like it's a "normal" computer without having to worry about drivers, kernels, X, etc.
I have had at least as much trouble from my Windows partition and my Android phones as I have from my Linux (mostly Fedora and CentOS) systems.
There really is no longer a credible case to be made that Linux is hard to use on the desktop. I even lend my older computers out to extremely non-technical friends (the kind who don't own a computer) without having to go into any significant detail about how to use Linux; they figure it out in a few minutes, mostly on their own.
If you wanted to make that case even as recently as maybe five years ago, I wouldn't have argued. But, really...the Linux desktop experience today is excellent, certainly comparable to Windows or Mac OS X. And, with Steam providing a huge variety of Linux games, I haven't rebooted into Windows in almost a year (I used to reboot for video projection work, but am no longer involved in that business...I was on the verge of switching even that to Linux, and had I done any more of those jobs it would have been with Linux).
> There really is no longer a credible case to be made that Linux is hard to use on the desktop.
No, Linux desktop is as easy to use as Windows (sometimes perhaps easier), the problem is one layer lower: the drivers.
1. Bluetooth breaks about every 3-4 months.
2. Wifi. Where do I start. Say: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_config... "If you have problems connecting to networks in general or your link quality is very poor, try to disable 802.11n" -- are you kidding me? Then if you have anything complicated, chances are you are completely and totally screwed. Examples: a) PPPoE over Wifi is simply not supported. b) The only way I found to connect to my work VPN is via a Firefox-running-as-root (I kid you not -- and it wasn't me me who came up with this solution obviously).
3. Battery life. http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/119620/9452
4. USB 3.0. Sure, NEC and Intel hosts are supported. Throw your card away if it's not NEC.
5. Hybrid graphics.
On to the destkop:
1. Skype. Say what you want, Microsoft abandoned it and Skype is a huge part of communications these days, sorry.
2. Chrome and hardware acceleration.
I haven't experienced any of those problems. On the WiFi front, I live a challenging WiFi life, because I travel full-time, and connect up to RV park WiFi regularly. I don't find it problematic. I don't know what chipset my laptop has, as I've never had to look into it. It's a shitty HP lappy. My desktop has had several different USB and PCI WiFi adapters without major issue. I do remember I did check google to make sure I was buying a compatible one, though, it wasn't hard to pick one that was known to be well-supported, even at Best Buy or Fry's.
Likewise, USB 3.0 works fine for me. I dunno what chipset any of my devices have, but they all work.
As for Skype, I used to use it regularly, and then switched to Hangouts. Skype worked fine on Linux up until I switched. I dunno the state of it now, but I don't need it, so it's no big deal. Both Google and Facebook have video chat and phone call features built right into their messenger apps, and they work fine on Linux; Skype is deprecated, IMHO.
I always put Debian on my desktops and Ubuntu on my laptops. So far, I've never had any real struggles with Debian on my desktops, but it's been an awful experience on laptops, specifically ones without an ethernet port.
I just spent a few hours installing Debian Testing on a 2 year old macbook. If you start with a net install you are mostly on your own, but starting with one of the live cds makes it pretty useable from the start. I think the big difference between the two is installing proprietary drivers. Wireless works out of the box on Ubuntu, but I have to install linux-firmware-nonfree and another broadcom package to get WiFi working on Debian.
I just tell myself that the extra work I put into a Debian install makes me more knowledgable about how the system actually works.
You're not the only one. Recently, I decided to try Fedora, though. It seems to work very well. However, I'm somewhat uncomfortable with it. I guess Red Hat makes a living selling Linux support, which means it's probably in their interest to make things unnecessarily complex. I'm not an expert but I looked a bit at SELinux (which comes with Fedora) and it seems rather complex. Then there's Systemd etc.
You aren't going to get away from systemd with a Debian or Ubuntu system. Both Debian 8 and Ubuntu 15.04 (and beyond) use systemd. There are very few mainstream Linux distributions that haven't adopted it, Slackware being the notable exception.
They're both fine. Whether you prefer to rent furnished or unfurnished apartments is a matter of taste. Either way, you'll have it like you like it within a couple of months.
Debian on desktop. Ubuntu on laptop (a macbook pro) because Ubuntu supports the wifi card and Debian doesn't (out of the box, at least). I'd prefer Debian because it starts with less, but working at all is more important.
Debian, on server and laptop. One of the reasons for choosing Debian on the laptop is that I tend to use older hardware - currently ranging from a series of Thinkpad T42p's to a HP 2230s - which tends to balk at the sheer size of 'modern' desktop environments. I also happen to prefer something less obtrusive so I 'standardised' on a combination of Xmonad, Dzen, Trayer and Conky combined with mate- or gnome-terminal. For this, Debian is just fine. Power management sometimes needs some fiddling with before it behaves, but the same would go for Ubuntu. Last but not least, I prefer the stability of Debian - even when using Sid - over the more brittle Ubuntu. Once I've installed a machine I like to be able to keep it up to date using a simple apt (dist-)upgrade, something which tends to 'just work' with Debian but 'usually break' with Ubuntu and its derivatives (eg. Mint).
I now have one system left running LMDE (the Debian version of Mint), one on Mint, one Ubuntu (Maverick, from 2010... my wife and kids love it so I keep it as it is) and the rest is Debian. All servers are on Debian, usually a combination of Stable with some added Testing/Unstable packages.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 80.6 ms ] threadCan someone enlighten me?
This update is mainly for install media, so people installing fresh don't have to download months of updates before configuring their system for the first time.
$ cat /etc/debian_version 8.4
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_f...
BTW does anyone have any color on what the heck happened that night?
Apparently he claimed to have been harassed by the police, but he also was said to be incoherent and violent in his behaviours.
Bruce Perens unnicely -at my opinion that is not the most reliable in the world- disclosed his mental illness. 1 day after on his blog and /.
The family also asked for discretion. A wish that has been followed by the majority of the community. Except people like me. Because, well, I wanted to understand.
I tried to see for similar cases with google news what happened, and a non scientifically screening of hundreds of case in the USA would tend to suggests that if the victim is categorized mentally ill then news about police violence does not seems to make it higher than local news.
I am just a little pea on the internet, I have no way to confirm my conclusions are right. It would require a true journalistic investigation to infirm of confirm the case.
The conclusion I drew for myself having attended FOSS for 10 years as a topic organizer in conferences is the level of freaks tended to be higher than on average. Still not a scientific conclusion.
I naively expected the community to be aware of that. My naive expectation is that the society would recognize the positive contribution of FOSS to the IT thus to the economy and thus would try to push harder on this case.
Apparently I am naïve or delusive according to the feedback I had on this story.
Well, I encourage people to make their own opinions and investigate with their own means.
I am still a tad disappointed in my expectations.
I was finding something was weired and coincidently used an old brower with one of my old credential in it. Just coincidence. I did not even cared.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767661
Nowhere have I been able to find any information regarding plans to backport OpenSSL 1.0.2+ to Jessie. With Google turning off SPDY in Chrome next month, the lack of HTTP/2 support makes Debian a rather poor environment as a web server.
I hope someone will point out that I'm wrong and that I've horribly misunderstood the current state of affairs. Otherwise, it seems like strong motivation to migrate our web applications to Ubuntu Xenial.
I suppose it depends on what you mean. The, say, nginx package in jessie itself won't get new features (by design) but the backports repositories -- which are now official -- have an nginx that supports HTTP/2. Am happily serving HTTP/2 from jessie right now :)
To still get Chrome to negotiate HTTP/2 after the SPDY+NPN drop, you will need ALPN. Which is only supported in OpenSSL 1.0.2+.
I love Debian, but Ubuntu seems to have better support.
What do you guys think?
I have had at least as much trouble from my Windows partition and my Android phones as I have from my Linux (mostly Fedora and CentOS) systems.
There really is no longer a credible case to be made that Linux is hard to use on the desktop. I even lend my older computers out to extremely non-technical friends (the kind who don't own a computer) without having to go into any significant detail about how to use Linux; they figure it out in a few minutes, mostly on their own.
If you wanted to make that case even as recently as maybe five years ago, I wouldn't have argued. But, really...the Linux desktop experience today is excellent, certainly comparable to Windows or Mac OS X. And, with Steam providing a huge variety of Linux games, I haven't rebooted into Windows in almost a year (I used to reboot for video projection work, but am no longer involved in that business...I was on the verge of switching even that to Linux, and had I done any more of those jobs it would have been with Linux).
No, Linux desktop is as easy to use as Windows (sometimes perhaps easier), the problem is one layer lower: the drivers.
1. Bluetooth breaks about every 3-4 months. 2. Wifi. Where do I start. Say: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_config... "If you have problems connecting to networks in general or your link quality is very poor, try to disable 802.11n" -- are you kidding me? Then if you have anything complicated, chances are you are completely and totally screwed. Examples: a) PPPoE over Wifi is simply not supported. b) The only way I found to connect to my work VPN is via a Firefox-running-as-root (I kid you not -- and it wasn't me me who came up with this solution obviously). 3. Battery life. http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/119620/9452 4. USB 3.0. Sure, NEC and Intel hosts are supported. Throw your card away if it's not NEC. 5. Hybrid graphics.
On to the destkop:
1. Skype. Say what you want, Microsoft abandoned it and Skype is a huge part of communications these days, sorry. 2. Chrome and hardware acceleration.
Likewise, USB 3.0 works fine for me. I dunno what chipset any of my devices have, but they all work.
As for Skype, I used to use it regularly, and then switched to Hangouts. Skype worked fine on Linux up until I switched. I dunno the state of it now, but I don't need it, so it's no big deal. Both Google and Facebook have video chat and phone call features built right into their messenger apps, and they work fine on Linux; Skype is deprecated, IMHO.
I just tell myself that the extra work I put into a Debian install makes me more knowledgable about how the system actually works.
I now have one system left running LMDE (the Debian version of Mint), one on Mint, one Ubuntu (Maverick, from 2010... my wife and kids love it so I keep it as it is) and the rest is Debian. All servers are on Debian, usually a combination of Stable with some added Testing/Unstable packages.