Everyone who is aware of the existence of Palemoon has for sure realized that there was a big nose-dive in opinions related to Firefox from both the Palemoon maker and their community when Mozilla changed their UX to Australis.
Also, there was bad blood from their community members side in many different postings which have been not really favorable towards Mozilla and sometimes these comments had a provocative writing style. But still, Mozilla seems lately to have some real problem with the Pale Moon guys and they decided to attack them and it looks like they demand that the moderation of the Pale Moon board becomes more strict so that only favorable posts about Mozilla are published or none at all.
The point is: some rude comments by community members of a certain board or not...it looks like Mozilla gets incredible nervous because of their current peculiar state and they seem to unleash all their frustrations now at the Palemoon project. It also looks like Mozilla has a growing animosity with people taking and modifying the Mozilla source code and using this for own unique products and they also try to get rid of projects which have been hosted and supported so far by Mozilla itself. If you are a big developer, one can argue that you should stand above incidents like that , but Mozilla's more and more dire situation in the market is for sure putting them under a heavy load of stress.
Concluded...Most users have the serious hope that Mozilla stops their current quest to see Google Chrome as their main competitor and moves again back in the direction of a more technolog wise skilled target-user group which would re-open the door for a more larger market share than right now. Also that Mozilla gets again in a more healthy relationship with projects like Seamonkey and Thunderbird which are threatened with suffering heavy losses when Mozilla removes their recent technology and moves on to a more Google Chrome inspired one.
Time is ticking and projects like Tofino and the uncertainty what is the future for Firefox (Servo or Blink - just a guess now... most likely depending which research is more successful) including the upcoming removal of XUL and the deprecation of the powerful old add-on and theming model is not really helpful in making users again restoring their faith in Mozilla and Firefox.
1. The point of Tofino is to fast-track UI tests within a team of 6 people. Firefox isn't switching to Blink.
2. "Mozilla" told Pale Moon to police their forums? I'd be curious who at Mozilla did this.
3. A couple Mozilla devs out of tons of them took the bait and got a bit angry in chat logs or Twitter. Does that somehow mean that the huge Mozilla organization is scared? Have you seen the way people like Tobin talk in the chat logs? It looks like he's basically trying to get a rise out of people for no good reason.
This is cheesy drama between maybe 4 devs and doesn't really have a place on HN.
Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox. The maintainer has a long history of an at-times-antagonistic relationship with the core FF development team. This appears to be another footnote in that long history where he claims to be receiving pressure from some mysterious Mozilla employee, in this case to censor his forums in some unspecified way.
The ambiguity of this whole post is really weird. No specifics on what was asked, or of who asked. Under what circumstances would it actually make sense for any official representative of a company to reach out to the operator of the Pale Moon forums to ask them to do... basically nothing? No specific requests were made, apparently, and no criteria were provided.
I'm not a Mozilla employee. It's sad to see one of the very few genuinely good companies get attacked by uniformed users looking for controversy to get worked up about. Creating an account to post this link here and the comments in the linked thread are perfect examples of that.
We don't know what Mozilla said, officially or unofficially. We don't know if it was a random employee or an official company statement. They also haven't been given a chance to defend themselves. Let's not assume the worst because it gives people something new to rage about on twitter.
Well respected? In earlier times for sure. But Mozilla of today has totally left power users alone. I would not call that what is left a genuinely good company
What I really mean is morally good. Call me naive but I think the majority of employees at Mozilla do want to make the world a better place. Mozilla doesn't sell your data or undermine your privacy unlike its main competitors. It doesn't want to lock you into their ecosystem and hold you or your data prisoner. They have a core mission to bring people access to the web and not have it controlled by a few select companies. I think they're fighting the good fight.
I disagree about power users to a small extent. Rust has to be one of the best things Mozilla has ever been involved in. Servo looks really promising. e10s has actually worked out and Web Extensions will finally make addons secure. It's not an easy path or transition. Constantly modernising such an old codebase is a huge challenge I don't envy. I think the criticism levelled at Mozilla is too harsh some times. They've taken risks and sometimes it doesn;t always work out, like FirefoxOS phones.
What worries me is that, rightly or wrongly, there are an increasing number of people who are disappointed with the direction that Mozilla has taken itself lately. While Mozilla once received almost universal praise, I'm starting to see the opposite happen now. More and more people appear to be holding an increasingly negative view of Mozilla and Firefox. Mozilla plays an important role within the web ecosystem, and it needs the support of the wider community in order to be effective.
I don't know, really. I'm not the most pro-Mozilla person around, but if there's no proof... Not even the name of an employee... I can't believe it, sorry.
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[ 4.4 ms ] story [ 50.5 ms ] threadAlso, there was bad blood from their community members side in many different postings which have been not really favorable towards Mozilla and sometimes these comments had a provocative writing style. But still, Mozilla seems lately to have some real problem with the Pale Moon guys and they decided to attack them and it looks like they demand that the moderation of the Pale Moon board becomes more strict so that only favorable posts about Mozilla are published or none at all.
This was not the only attack by Mozilla's side lately. For example https://twitter.com/ygjb/status/711446711479050241 mocking their attempts to re-base Palemoon and removing Australis or as seen here http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9227&p=80772&h... where Mozilla guy Robert Kaiser accused Palemoon project of "extorting money and destroying code".
The point is: some rude comments by community members of a certain board or not...it looks like Mozilla gets incredible nervous because of their current peculiar state and they seem to unleash all their frustrations now at the Palemoon project. It also looks like Mozilla has a growing animosity with people taking and modifying the Mozilla source code and using this for own unique products and they also try to get rid of projects which have been hosted and supported so far by Mozilla itself. If you are a big developer, one can argue that you should stand above incidents like that , but Mozilla's more and more dire situation in the market is for sure putting them under a heavy load of stress.
Concluded...Most users have the serious hope that Mozilla stops their current quest to see Google Chrome as their main competitor and moves again back in the direction of a more technolog wise skilled target-user group which would re-open the door for a more larger market share than right now. Also that Mozilla gets again in a more healthy relationship with projects like Seamonkey and Thunderbird which are threatened with suffering heavy losses when Mozilla removes their recent technology and moves on to a more Google Chrome inspired one.
Time is ticking and projects like Tofino and the uncertainty what is the future for Firefox (Servo or Blink - just a guess now... most likely depending which research is more successful) including the upcoming removal of XUL and the deprecation of the powerful old add-on and theming model is not really helpful in making users again restoring their faith in Mozilla and Firefox.
2. "Mozilla" told Pale Moon to police their forums? I'd be curious who at Mozilla did this.
3. A couple Mozilla devs out of tons of them took the bait and got a bit angry in chat logs or Twitter. Does that somehow mean that the huge Mozilla organization is scared? Have you seen the way people like Tobin talk in the chat logs? It looks like he's basically trying to get a rise out of people for no good reason.
This is cheesy drama between maybe 4 devs and doesn't really have a place on HN.
I expect much more of this to come.
We don't know what Mozilla said, officially or unofficially. We don't know if it was a random employee or an official company statement. They also haven't been given a chance to defend themselves. Let's not assume the worst because it gives people something new to rage about on twitter.
I disagree about power users to a small extent. Rust has to be one of the best things Mozilla has ever been involved in. Servo looks really promising. e10s has actually worked out and Web Extensions will finally make addons secure. It's not an easy path or transition. Constantly modernising such an old codebase is a huge challenge I don't envy. I think the criticism levelled at Mozilla is too harsh some times. They've taken risks and sometimes it doesn;t always work out, like FirefoxOS phones.
Mozilla could just as well be a victim of badmouthing.