Ask HN: Our lead architect says 4GB is enough for a developer machine

Yikes, that's pretty low for local development work. If you were mostly doing remote access to a more powerful development server that might work but for doing anything more serious you'll want to consider at least 8GB. Chrome uses a gig by itself so you're already down quite a bit. Most of my dev machines have been 16GB minimum.

Oh, I forgot to add: Single Core, 2666 Mhz.

I really wanted to ask if I could donate my old netbook and remote into that.

Well, if it really is a VDI client and not used for more then the specs would be fine, not much happening locally that would need more.

But then you wouldn't be running Eclipse, Chrome and WebLogic locally on them, so that's probably not the case? And even Chrome alone can easily eat more than 4 GB, so that's kinda laughable for any kind of dev work.

So, hardware purchases for large organisations (and what I assume might be a government agency or government vendor) seems to be driven more from strategic sourcing relationships and cost as a priority, and actual technical requirements second. Seldom do people go "here's what we need, lets cost it!" More likely its a compromise between cost and service.

That being said, 4GB is stupidly low for a development machine and that should be alarming for the development team (6GB is not much an improvement).

I would argue the "works fine for most developers" point. What works now (the current state) is certainly not going to last. 4GB is already too low and it is only going to get more difficult as the requirements increase (bloat is a constant).

The conversation should be "what is the practical life of this hardware and do we intend to upgrade when it runs out." You should think about performance hits (in the people sense, not hardware sense) if these environments are abandoned by your developers. All hardware purchases have an effective life and what you've described is a purchase which will barely last another 12 months, imho.

Laughable. 4 gig was adequate in 2008, maybe.

"fine for most developers", sounds to me like the Java guru needs to provider proof of that statement.

Gallup does surveys for businesses and one of the questions they ask is "Do you have the right equipment to do your job".

http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/26773/why-employees-ne...

If your workstation is slow, or you have to deal with OOM issues, and can't get your work done, that is something that needs addressed not by guessing, but my management doing their job and providing you with the right equipment from the start.

If the company isn't willing to provide you the right equipment based on what the employees think and not just on what one person says based on hearsay, than I'd question if that is a good place to work.

Put your own RAM in.

I used to have to upgrade my own machines. For years. Monitors and RAM. I haven't had a place that gave me anything less than 16G for years now, though.

You'd be surprised what a single, well-scheduled CPU can put up with. Don't want to add too many and deal with CPU Ready, where the hypervisor is trying to schedule all those cores on the host. Smaller VMs are easier to schedule and thus have less opportunity to be forced into idleness.

But yeah you need twice that RAM, minimum.

Sounds like a shortsighted company led by sales people. If there is this amount of penny-fucking at your company, maybe it is best to interview at other places and leave asap.

Things will not get better, as management has costs to cut. Your work equipment is one of those costs. If it was up to them, you'd be shoveling with 3 spoons instead of a shovel, since "it works for most", meaning "we only assign shovels on a 1-1 basis so that we wouldn't need to spend bigger amount now." What are your salary raise prospects at such a company?

Oh dear! Can you BYO laptop?

Run

I'd recommend breaking down the time lost due to the slower machine, and spelling out how that equates to dollars down the drain. Here's an example (with arbitrary numbers):

"With a 16GB machine, it takes my test suite 5 minutes to run. With 4GB, that suite runs in 20 minutes. I need to run it on average, 10 times a day. So by giving me the 4GB machine, you're having me sit idle for an unnecessary 15 minutes, 10 times a day. So that's 2.5 hours per day that you're paying me to spin around in my chair and surf HackerNews. That's X wasted dollars every day, which is significantly more than the cost of the upgrade from 4GB to 16GB. So you'll save money by giving me a faster machine".

If there's a way to speak dollars-and-cents to the bureaucrats in your org, then there's a better chance of them approving your request.

We deploy 2 cpu and 4 GB for office 2016 VDI users. That's tight for a developer.

Unless you're offshore and your wasted time is not as valuable, that's a poor VDI use case that doesn't make sense

Fight it with vendor recommendations.

http://blogs.vmware.com/consulting/tag/vmware-view-storage

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/view/Server-Storage-Sizing-G...

Run away

That'll just lead to a dick-swinging contest if your resident Java guru already said 4gb is enough. It's futile. There are many ways to reduce the memory consumption of your desktop machine. Start with those.

I would expect this from a cost center vs profit center workplace. I have 24 GB on my W530, the more, the better...

I second what MalcomDiggs has said, but run some benchmarks on your home box with all the memory. Find an amount at which performance increases level off, & request a just amount based on hard data. If they don't respond after making it perfectly clear as to what you need to do your job properly, then leave. (Assuming you can easily get work elsewhere)

Maybe link this comments thread in your intranet post, a community like HN expressing sane norms might help your case.

It's very easy for someone on the Internet to tell you to run away from conditions like this. I'm not going to tell you that but consider this: the world is full of places like that but it is also full of seriously great places to work as well. Every minute you work at some crappy job is a minute you could be working at someplace nice instead. When you start interviewing for your next job, be sure to ask them about their development hardware. ;-)