A cartoon pair of breasts squirt cartoon milk at the end. Are we talking about the technology or the art? At least one of the the creators seems to have a very R. Crumb aesthetic. Is cartoon lactation just part of the art or is it more tech industry misogyny in a project launch? It is interesting for sure on a few levels
EDIT: stranger, you are going to need to defend your down-vote. Watch the video, see the cartoon milk squirting breasts. Click on the creator links. Look at their tumblrs. Look at their aesthetic. Discuss the issue. Sorry if the content that they put in their video makes you uncomfortable, but it is on-topic for this post and I'm pointing out that it is there
EDIT: Again with the down-votes? I took actual screenshots and captioned (with very little editorial) what is going on in the video. Why would you down-vote that?
Yeah, it's close. I made a pretty reasonable analysis of the themes (or tropes) in the video. If this were an art classroom (and any time in the last 50 years, not just the PC era) there would be a lot of discussion about the sexual themes of this video. They are there and they are intentional
I don't think to have a cultural blindspot: I just didn't notice the breast squirting animation. I saw the banana thing and I think indeed that the beginning of this video and other photos on their website have a sexsual background but I think you took your interpretation too far, expecially with the domination thing. But of course different people can see different things and only the creators of the video know which meaning they wanted the video to have.
The video does have a very weird, uncomfortable aesthetic. It also fails to make the game look at all interesting to me, which I think is related to that.
For what its worth, I tried this while it was on display in Toronto, and it was great - it was set up for kids and there was no 'cartoon breasts' to be found, just a bunch of super stoked kids seeing their creations come to life & playing with tech
I'm not offended. I like cartoon boobs. Why do sexual themes make it into tech promotion often? I don't know. I'll just go back to reading http://oglaf.com and leave this alone
> stranger, you are going to need to defend your down-vote.
I down-voted. I also watched one of the videos and read the article without noticing any lactating breasts. Nevertheless I think this is the art style, and neither you or I have to view it or like it. I'm really clueless as to which hat you pulled tech industry misogyny out off.
The parent comment was posed as a question for discussion, rather than a statement of fact. While agree with your points, I disagree with your combative tone.
I edited my top level comment in which I wrote that the GP was condescending and opinionated - but I don't agree that the tone was without basis:
> stranger, you are going to need to defend your down-vote.
> Watch the video, see the cartoon milk squirting breasts. Click on the creator links. Look at their tumblrs. Look at their aesthetic. Discuss the issue. Sorry if the content that they put in their video makes you uncomfortable, but it is on-topic for this post and I'm pointing out that it is there
The entire bulk of GP's edits are in imperative form, and give a very strong impression of exactly that: condescending moralizing - I could be wrong, but given how rare repeated imperatives in English are, I would like to know why you think otherwise.
The moralizing is about people actually reading what I wrote and the observations I am contributing. It is not about moralizing morality. I like cartoon boobs, but I would never put them in a project launch video and I am amazed whenever female sexuality creeps into tech promotion. I also personally like the aesthetic of the artists who made this. I'm just amazed that there is this cultural blindspot to this type of presentation
You linking to a Madonna video could be misogynistic. I don't know until you show me what you are talking about. For example, if you linked to a clip and wrote, "stop talking about female sexuality in tech promotion because Madonna had cones on her boobs first" then yes, it would be misogynistic and a very unsophisticated misdirection. But, sure go ahead and show me what discussion-ending hammer you want to drop
That's an odd thing to say. It's at the heart of many legal systems. You hit a child with your car. Did they walk out in front of you and you didn't see them or did you have 2 seconds to brake/swerve but didn't want to?
The instant I saw the woman was eating a banana, I knew the word "misogyny" would be brought up multiple times in this discussion. I didn't even notice the breasts.
Initially really excited by the concept because I love pinball, what a letdown. Pinball is fun to play because people spend hundreds of hours carefully laying out a playfield of good shots and effective flow. These one-off doodle tables simply don't look like they would be fun to play.
It would be great for prototyping though. And of course you can spend hours fine-tuning the doodles to get a carefully crafted pin. It's never going to be the same because it's all virtual and there are no mechanical components but I love the general idea.
I watched the second video first (no weird stuff in that video that I noticed, just a demo of the invention). My impression was that it was one of the most innovative and unique things I'd seen in a while, especially from a UX perspective.
Then I read the comments and watched the second video. I get the backlash over the misogyny. But I wonder if focusing too much on that is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Without knowing anything else, the scenario that popped into my head was a team of creators who are really good at a few things, but at the expense of being completely incompetent at marketing, social issues, website design, being classy in general...
But should this invention be squashed for their mistakes or lauded for its brilliance?
Sometimes I think really innovative and brilliant things come from people who have ultra-focused to the point of being very good at a few things and sucking at many other things... And the sucking at many other things is the cost that must be paid.
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[ 1.4 ms ] story [ 63.2 ms ] threadAnalysis: http://imgur.com/a/gCj8R
EDIT: stranger, you are going to need to defend your down-vote. Watch the video, see the cartoon milk squirting breasts. Click on the creator links. Look at their tumblrs. Look at their aesthetic. Discuss the issue. Sorry if the content that they put in their video makes you uncomfortable, but it is on-topic for this post and I'm pointing out that it is there
Here you go http://imgur.com/a/gCj8R
EDIT: Again with the down-votes? I took actual screenshots and captioned (with very little editorial) what is going on in the video. Why would you down-vote that?
That is not even close to being an objective analysis.
I down-voted. I also watched one of the videos and read the article without noticing any lactating breasts. Nevertheless I think this is the art style, and neither you or I have to view it or like it. I'm really clueless as to which hat you pulled tech industry misogyny out off.
> stranger, you are going to need to defend your down-vote.
> Watch the video, see the cartoon milk squirting breasts. Click on the creator links. Look at their tumblrs. Look at their aesthetic. Discuss the issue. Sorry if the content that they put in their video makes you uncomfortable, but it is on-topic for this post and I'm pointing out that it is there
The entire bulk of GP's edits are in imperative form, and give a very strong impression of exactly that: condescending moralizing - I could be wrong, but given how rare repeated imperatives in English are, I would like to know why you think otherwise.
At worst this is a spoof of second-rate 80's production. Though without your comments most people probably wouldn't have even noticed.
I think you have yet to make an argument as to why this is an issue and needs to be the focus of the discussion rather than the tech.
When intent determines whether an act is right or wrong I believe I'm asking the wrong question.
Then I read the comments and watched the second video. I get the backlash over the misogyny. But I wonder if focusing too much on that is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Without knowing anything else, the scenario that popped into my head was a team of creators who are really good at a few things, but at the expense of being completely incompetent at marketing, social issues, website design, being classy in general...
But should this invention be squashed for their mistakes or lauded for its brilliance?
Sometimes I think really innovative and brilliant things come from people who have ultra-focused to the point of being very good at a few things and sucking at many other things... And the sucking at many other things is the cost that must be paid.