As is apparent by the screen-high photo of him in uniform directly beneath the headline. The ship is actually named after him due to his civil rights record, however.
it is being named after him due to his civil rights work but it is the navy choosing to name something after him because he was a navy man. Robert Kennedy also served in the navy. Had they served in the army the navy would be less likely to want to name ships after them. Which is why it is surprising they are naming a ship after Warren because he served in the army in ww1
It isn't really that unusual. Military Sealift Command ships are named after notable Americans with little to no connection to the military all the time. This is the first time a class as been specifically designated to honor civil rights pioneers, though.
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What exactly did he do to be honored with a ship's name?
Was it for being gay, for serving in the navy for 4 years, for having statutory rape with a number of drug addicted teenage boys, for being an activist that got elected because he was openly gay in one of the most LGBT-friendly cities in the US, ...?
I understand he was killed while wearing a navy buckle (by another democrat that snapped for losing his job to him), but what was the sacrifice given that would dictate military honor?
This is political correctness that will do nothing but divide people further...
The "statutory rape" claim against Milk comes, wholly unsourced to the best of my knowledge, from Matt Barber of the Liberty Council, described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group along with some of its allies like the AFA. It was later later picked up by and cited by such sterling journalistic organs as WorldNetDaily. Barber and his organization are strong supporters of gay conversion therapy and are responsible for such reality-averse humdingers as the idea that Matthew Shepard--pistol-whipped to a skull fracture, tied to a fence, left for dead by self-admitted gay-bashers--had nothing to do with homosexuality. They are charming, wonderful people and the people who cite them gave up on dog whistles a while ago in favor of desperate, reactionary bullhorns. (It's not working.)
There's something wrong happening when a ship is named after an individual, but not because anything the individual did ... Instead for some political response they are trying to make.
This move isn't about honoring the guy, but to legitimize the movement he was part of.
IMO, it is an insult to all those other people who have been honored for the sacrifices they have made.
not sure i follow this. said man of peace was a navy officer and the article notes that he died wearing memorabilia from his service. do you have some reason to believe he would have agreed with you?
You didn't look at the giant photo of Milk in his naval officer's uniform under the headline in the linked article? He served voluntarily under commission in the Korean War. You're going to need better than a bald assertion to assume the Navy is doing one of its own a dishonor.
It sounds like you may not know who Harvey Milk is or what he did. Read up on him, it's interesting stuff.
Really, though, why not just be honest about your intentions? You're a bigot and you think gay rights activists should be reviled, but you're afraid to actually come out and say that, so instead you're coming up with a thin pretext and pretending that's the real reason you're opposed. But you're not fooling anyone, so why not be honest at least?
> But you're not fooling anyone, so why not be honest at least?
Oh, come on, you know the answer to that. =) It's the same reason that people like Moldbug never met a thesaurus they wouldn't adopt and raise like a child. But, unfortunately, cloaking oneself in borrowed dignity doesn't really work.
Troll! No bigotry hear. You made me angry. I have a technical problem with this. It seems that this movement to recognize gay rights is being done too forcefully, too artificially, too weakly. There is a more graceful approach to this, but we are not making an effort to do it this way, either due to haste or due to fervor.
You are right. I don't know a single thing about Milk other than what the article glosses over. And it is not fair to Milk, but I am not making an extra effort here, because I am not vested in this. I was hoping the other HNers would elaborate on who he was, and counter me.
When things are done rashly, we weaken the entire entity this way. In this case, it was the honor of immortality via a ship, being given too hastily away for political reasons.
That was a factual description, not a personal attack.
Calling someone a Nazi because they support a political candidate I don't like is a personal attack. Calling someone a Nazi because they're wearing a swastika armband and seig-heiling is not.
Please don't finesse this kind of thing here. A comment like "Really, though, why not just be honest about your intentions? You're a bigot" is uncivil by HN standards, regardless of how right you are.
"The July 14, 2016 notification, signed by Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus, indicated he intended to name a planned Military Sealift Command fleet oiler USNS Harvey Milk (T-AO-206)."
And? Does the POTUS need to personally sign off on and agree with the decisions made by every downstream person? It's the naming of an oil tanker. This decision is not an attack on your personal beliefs.
ship naming has been random and political since forever.
submariners used to call SSN 685 "lipscomb fish"...glenard p. lipscomb had nothing to do with the navy and did nothing but die as a congressman the year the ship was being named.
uss jimmy carter? the ex-secretary club (forrestal, john warner, thomas s. gates)?
People who spill hateful things from their mouths are labeled hate mongers. No one is pushing an agenda on you or anyone else. The "double standards and special provisions" are necessary to protect a class of people who are subjected to relentless torment at the hands of others who don't think they deserve equal rights.
That's surprising, given Milk's support for Jim Jones and his People's Temple[1,2], whose followers murdered a U.S. congressman and committed mass suicide.
For ship types now being procured for the Navy, or recently procured for the Navy, naming rules
can be summarized as follows:
Aircraft carriers are generally named for past U.S. Presidents. Of the last 14, 10
were named for past U.S. Presidents, and 2 for Members of Congress.
Virginia (SSN-774) class attack submarines are being named for states.
Destroyers are named for deceased members of the Navy, Marine Corps, and
Coast Guard, including Secretaries of the Navy.
Littoral Combat Ships (LCSs) are being named for regionally important U.S.
cities and communities.
Amphibious assault ships are being named for important battles in which U.S.
Marines played a prominent part, and for famous earlier U.S. Navy ships that
were not named for battles.
San Antonio (LPD-17) class amphibious ships are being named for major U.S.
cities and communities, and cities and communities attacked on September 11,
2001.
John Lewis (TAO-205) class oilers, previously known as TAO(X)s, are being
named for people who fought for civil rights and human rights.
Lewis and Clark (TAKE-1) class cargo and ammunition ships were named
for famous American explorers, trailblazers, and pioneers.
Expeditionary Fast Transports (EPFs), previously called Joint High Speed
Vessels (JHSVs), are being named for small U.S. cities.
Expeditionary Transport Docks (ESDs) and Expeditionary Sea Bases
(ESBs), which were previously called Mobile Landing Platform (MLP) ships and
Afloat Forward Staging Bases (AFSBs), respectively, are being named for
famous names or places of historical significance to U.S. Marines.
So basically there has been reserved a class of ships (oilers) that are all going to be named after Civil Rights activists.
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Was it for being gay, for serving in the navy for 4 years, for having statutory rape with a number of drug addicted teenage boys, for being an activist that got elected because he was openly gay in one of the most LGBT-friendly cities in the US, ...?
I understand he was killed while wearing a navy buckle (by another democrat that snapped for losing his job to him), but what was the sacrifice given that would dictate military honor?
This is political correctness that will do nothing but divide people further...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/army-rotc-pr...
Or maybe you weren't actually asking a question?
IMO, it is an insult to all those other people who have been honored for the sacrifices they have made.
Really, though, why not just be honest about your intentions? You're a bigot and you think gay rights activists should be reviled, but you're afraid to actually come out and say that, so instead you're coming up with a thin pretext and pretending that's the real reason you're opposed. But you're not fooling anyone, so why not be honest at least?
Oh, come on, you know the answer to that. =) It's the same reason that people like Moldbug never met a thesaurus they wouldn't adopt and raise like a child. But, unfortunately, cloaking oneself in borrowed dignity doesn't really work.
You are right. I don't know a single thing about Milk other than what the article glosses over. And it is not fair to Milk, but I am not making an extra effort here, because I am not vested in this. I was hoping the other HNers would elaborate on who he was, and counter me.
When things are done rashly, we weaken the entire entity this way. In this case, it was the honor of immortality via a ship, being given too hastily away for political reasons.
Personal attacks are also not OK on Hacker News.
Calling someone a Nazi because they support a political candidate I don't like is a personal attack. Calling someone a Nazi because they're wearing a swastika armband and seig-heiling is not.
National defense is the last thing on his mind.
"The July 14, 2016 notification, signed by Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus, indicated he intended to name a planned Military Sealift Command fleet oiler USNS Harvey Milk (T-AO-206)."
Naming a Navy ship after a gay man clearly signals the end of the Republic.
Naming a ship after Harvey Milk is no more or less a politicization of the armed forces than naming one after Dwight Eisenhower.
submariners used to call SSN 685 "lipscomb fish"...glenard p. lipscomb had nothing to do with the navy and did nothing but die as a congressman the year the ship was being named.
uss jimmy carter? the ex-secretary club (forrestal, john warner, thomas s. gates)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_ship_naming_conv...
Gays are over-represented in all media and politics by a factor of 3-10x.
Homosexuality is now considered a virtue.
Double-standards and special provisions are being constructed for LGBTs under the name of "equal rights".
Anyone that does not agree with the agenda and propaganda is labeled a hate monger.
Etc.
[1] http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=16566 [2] http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/02/in-defence-of-jim-jones...
For ship types now being procured for the Navy, or recently procured for the Navy, naming rules can be summarized as follows: Aircraft carriers are generally named for past U.S. Presidents. Of the last 14, 10 were named for past U.S. Presidents, and 2 for Members of Congress. Virginia (SSN-774) class attack submarines are being named for states. Destroyers are named for deceased members of the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard, including Secretaries of the Navy. Littoral Combat Ships (LCSs) are being named for regionally important U.S. cities and communities. Amphibious assault ships are being named for important battles in which U.S. Marines played a prominent part, and for famous earlier U.S. Navy ships that were not named for battles. San Antonio (LPD-17) class amphibious ships are being named for major U.S. cities and communities, and cities and communities attacked on September 11, 2001. John Lewis (TAO-205) class oilers, previously known as TAO(X)s, are being named for people who fought for civil rights and human rights. Lewis and Clark (TAKE-1) class cargo and ammunition ships were named for famous American explorers, trailblazers, and pioneers. Expeditionary Fast Transports (EPFs), previously called Joint High Speed Vessels (JHSVs), are being named for small U.S. cities. Expeditionary Transport Docks (ESDs) and Expeditionary Sea Bases (ESBs), which were previously called Mobile Landing Platform (MLP) ships and Afloat Forward Staging Bases (AFSBs), respectively, are being named for famous names or places of historical significance to U.S. Marines.
So basically there has been reserved a class of ships (oilers) that are all going to be named after Civil Rights activists.