Ok, yes. Politicians live under a rock on a different planet. We all know this. :-(
It's definitely not an age thing though ... I see plenty of people in their golden years on smartphones and have quite a few facebook friends north of 80 who post frequently and clearly understand the basic tenants of the things.
I don't care whether the President uses email or knows how to tweet. I care about whether their policies are pro-tech or anti-tech, and right now the two parties are in a race to the bottom to be as anti-tech as possible.
I think the point is that it would be a fairly logical to conclude that if he "doesn't believe in email", he's going to have a very hard time understanding the implications of net neutrality, IP rights, and more.
I think it would be reasonable to conclude that "don't believe in email because I can't be bothered to do computer stuff" is different from "don't believe in email because I understand all relevant technology from top to bottom and have made an informed choice."
> Email is a wonderful thing for people whose role in life is to be on top of things. But not for me; my role is to be on the bottom of things. What I do takes long hours of studying and uninterruptible concentration.
I think he would agree that a President's role is to be 'on top of things'.
It appears the argument being made here in the article is not that Clinton and Trump are tech averse because of political and security risks, but that they are themselves technologically inept.
The article title seems a bit unfair, especially given how well trump has played in social media and the ever changing "news feed."
Just because people are printing news articles does not make them a Luddite. I imagine many broadcasters still work this way.
Lastly, it is not trumps or hillarys personal responsibility to understand email, networks, or even the governance of it all. It is their duty to fill their cabinet with the right people who can translate translate all the complexity into actionable choices and provide guidance. Same with CEOs
> The article title seems a bit unfair, especially given how well trump has played in social media and the ever changing "news feed."
It accurately describes someone who has never had a computer on their desk and interacts mostly through paper (he's well known for hand written notes). He sometimes tweets by himself, but that's about it and I am sure his advisors wished he didn't ever tweet on his own. TV seems to be where he focuses, both watching it and trying to be on it.
To be fair, the problem goes beyond just wanting to print a web article:
> Clinton, now 68, also emailed a department staffer to ask what time the CBS drama “The Good Wife” aired and later to request a paper copy of a website news item. “Pls print for me and deliver to me,” Clinton wrote in the winter of 2013, attaching a web address. “This links to the front page of the Washington Post,” the employee responded. “Is there a particular article that you are looking for?”
Assuming Secretary Clinton wasn't trying to solely keep her email private, the kind of unfamilarity she has with the very fundamentals of information technology is the kind of unfamiliarity that leads to flawed usage of technology, such as her now-controversial email server. When you need so many middlemen to get you information that you could far more asily access and explore yourself, you increase the chance of incompetency and inefficency hindering the information flow.
Disagree here. This is what the right hand man/woman is for.
My guess is that there is a real cultural problem not only in the Democratic Party but also with hillarys organization(s). Dissent and speaking truth to power is squelched which creates hubris and bad decisions.
Certainly there were people who told Hillary it was a bad idea to put an email server in a basement. Were they heard? Did they even speak up?
The tech-aloofness of the two nominees marks a sharp break from President Barack Obama, who fought to keep a mobile phone when he entered the White House...
It was Clinton's desire to do the same thing that led to her setting up her own email server and the resulting scandal.
Clinton also balked at agency guidance that she use a government-issued personal computer in her Foggy Bottom office
Obama wanted to use a mobile device instead of a desktop computer for email, and that proves that's he's tech-savvy, but Clinton desire for the same thing means she's a luddite?
I interpret this more as - government IT is in terrible shape, and I can't blame somebody who does not wish to be saddled with the pain of it.
The argument that an ostensibly political appointee must be held to the same IT-savviness standards as , say, an enlisted (wo)man are specious. While it would be a good thing if it were true, we all know too many people in positions of power who have simply not had the time to be competent in it. It's a variation on the generally advancing Russian Doll thinking that is sweeping tech.
"The argument that an ostensibly political appointee must be held to the same IT-savviness standards as , say, an enlisted (wo)man are specious."
Wait: you are seriously arguing that the Secretary of State of the United States is in a less-sensitive position than an enlisted member of the armed forces? Seriously?
> The tech-aloofness of the two nominees marks a sharp break from President Barack Obama, who fought to keep a mobile phone when he entered the White House...
Keep in mind that isn't necessarily a good thing, or even a sign of tech savvy.
Definitely seems like it. It sounds like there's a very clear issue here that the president has been repeatedly talked to about, though.
My point was that wanting to use a product that's been around for 30 years isn't necessarily an indication of knowledge and acceptance of tech; that's sort of a vain way to measure it, imho. It should be measured by someone's comprehension of how a technology works, and an understanding of the positive and negative implications of it.
Honestly, as time goes on, more of the people I meet in the tech sector seem more like moderates; a lot less likely to jump to a shiny new thing than the average consumer.
It isn't clear to me they have any idea what they are talking about. They are obviously paranoid (why else have a rocket launcher?).
I would expect the secure equipment to not leak information when exposed to a weak RF source, and I wonder if the cell phones in question are themselves secure (there was a bunch of noise about the special effort required to provision secure cell phones at the time).
There's no information there useful for determining if he is an expert or a crank.
Using Google to try to figure out his qualifications quickly led to a video calling him a part time EMT and discussing his arrest for illegal weapons possession.
The title of this article has little to do with the content. Luddism isn't ignorance of technology, it is fear of and hostility toward it. This is just an article about how Clinton and Trump don't use technology as much or in the same way as your average post-Boomer office worker, but says nothing about hostility toward it.
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[ 5.1 ms ] story [ 80.2 ms ] threadIt's definitely not an age thing though ... I see plenty of people in their golden years on smartphones and have quite a few facebook friends north of 80 who post frequently and clearly understand the basic tenants of the things.
> Email is a wonderful thing for people whose role in life is to be on top of things. But not for me; my role is to be on the bottom of things. What I do takes long hours of studying and uninterruptible concentration.
I think he would agree that a President's role is to be 'on top of things'.
Can you give some examples of anti-tech activities you are referring to, in case I am missing something?
Just because people are printing news articles does not make them a Luddite. I imagine many broadcasters still work this way.
Lastly, it is not trumps or hillarys personal responsibility to understand email, networks, or even the governance of it all. It is their duty to fill their cabinet with the right people who can translate translate all the complexity into actionable choices and provide guidance. Same with CEOs
It accurately describes someone who has never had a computer on their desk and interacts mostly through paper (he's well known for hand written notes). He sometimes tweets by himself, but that's about it and I am sure his advisors wished he didn't ever tweet on his own. TV seems to be where he focuses, both watching it and trying to be on it.
> Clinton, now 68, also emailed a department staffer to ask what time the CBS drama “The Good Wife” aired and later to request a paper copy of a website news item. “Pls print for me and deliver to me,” Clinton wrote in the winter of 2013, attaching a web address. “This links to the front page of the Washington Post,” the employee responded. “Is there a particular article that you are looking for?”
Assuming Secretary Clinton wasn't trying to solely keep her email private, the kind of unfamilarity she has with the very fundamentals of information technology is the kind of unfamiliarity that leads to flawed usage of technology, such as her now-controversial email server. When you need so many middlemen to get you information that you could far more asily access and explore yourself, you increase the chance of incompetency and inefficency hindering the information flow.
My guess is that there is a real cultural problem not only in the Democratic Party but also with hillarys organization(s). Dissent and speaking truth to power is squelched which creates hubris and bad decisions.
Certainly there were people who told Hillary it was a bad idea to put an email server in a basement. Were they heard? Did they even speak up?
It won't cause you to set up your own private email server "by accident".
It was Clinton's desire to do the same thing that led to her setting up her own email server and the resulting scandal.
Clinton also balked at agency guidance that she use a government-issued personal computer in her Foggy Bottom office
Obama wanted to use a mobile device instead of a desktop computer for email, and that proves that's he's tech-savvy, but Clinton desire for the same thing means she's a luddite?
The argument that an ostensibly political appointee must be held to the same IT-savviness standards as , say, an enlisted (wo)man are specious. While it would be a good thing if it were true, we all know too many people in positions of power who have simply not had the time to be competent in it. It's a variation on the generally advancing Russian Doll thinking that is sweeping tech.
Wait: you are seriously arguing that the Secretary of State of the United States is in a less-sensitive position than an enlisted member of the armed forces? Seriously?
Ever do any work for lawyers? It's like that. They have admins that run the firms; the lawyers are the inventory.
Also, it doesn't take "detailed crypto and IT knowledge" to know that sending sensitive material over email is a bad idea.
Keep in mind that isn't necessarily a good thing, or even a sign of tech savvy.
http://cryptome.org/2012-info/obama-moron/0021.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxPfgISHU3E
My point was that wanting to use a product that's been around for 30 years isn't necessarily an indication of knowledge and acceptance of tech; that's sort of a vain way to measure it, imho. It should be measured by someone's comprehension of how a technology works, and an understanding of the positive and negative implications of it.
Honestly, as time goes on, more of the people I meet in the tech sector seem more like moderates; a lot less likely to jump to a shiny new thing than the average consumer.
I would expect the secure equipment to not leak information when exposed to a weak RF source, and I wonder if the cell phones in question are themselves secure (there was a bunch of noise about the special effort required to provision secure cell phones at the time).
Did you read down into the last part of the Cryptome document? He goes into a pretty in-depth explanation of why it's an issue.
Using Google to try to figure out his qualifications quickly led to a video calling him a part time EMT and discussing his arrest for illegal weapons possession.
Cluelessness, luddism, unwillingness to learn something new... pick one or more. "Tech-savvy" definitely is not an option here.