20 comments

[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 53.7 ms ] thread
.
I don't think I can code my way out of a paper bag, actually.
This is why most of the code I write controls actuators... Just in case.
How do you identify people who "can't code their way out of a paper bag"? What is it about their skill level that makes them seemingly incompetent?
(comment deleted)
I found the article premise pretty convincing. If I want top talent, I usually try to find a software engineer from Eastern Europe.
Very true.

I hope this comment thread gets all those comments from the other thread where engineers should get paid $1m+ a year.

Hahaha.

haha he can take the Amazon "talent". we in the bay can stick with Google, Facebook, Uber, Airbnb, and Stanford talent.
Surprisingly, it's pretty true. Amazon talent is pretty bad.
It is my opinion that most of us are mediocre. It's how we apply ourselves that really matters.
Okay, all plausible, until the last paragraph.

> Instead, here in Seattle, I work with amazing people -- who came from Amazon, Boeing, Microsoft and other area startups.

Hold the phone, did the author just call Microsoft, Amazon, and fucking Boeing startups?? The Valley really did get to him, didn't it.

Well they were all startups at one point. I still think of amazon as one (get off my lawn).
It's just a non-optimally worded sentence. He means people who came from Amazon, Boeing, Microsoft, and -- in addition to those people -- also people who come from Seattle-area startups (such as https://www.rover.com/, to pick one at random).
Most of the people are mediocre. Just because they work in hyped companies (Uber,Google,Facebook whatever) does not mean they are the top 10%.

And even being in top 10% does not directly translate into being able to create an extraordinary product.

There are hundreds of thousands talented people that did not buy into hype or are not too ambitious to even attempt the amazingly tiring interviews at these companies.

The most insightful comment IMO was this:

> Once everything becomes “epic,” nothing less will do, so hype ends up everywhere.

When everybody's special, nobody's special. In Silicon Valley, "epic" and synonyms have been so overused that they now encompass even the truly mediocre. Merely being there is considered evidence of success, being elsewhere is treated as evidence of failure. Whatever this article's particular failings might be, at least it helps to highlight the hubris that drives the endless hype.

The author is chasing 'name brand' employees.

His premise is essentially that, by circular reasoning, all the good engineers are at big companies, and, since Google and Facebook are paying too much, you are better off poaching from a "downmarket" brand, like Microsoft and Amazon, instead of actually being invested in your hiring process. Or, heaven forbid, fostering development of your existing employees.

I've seen a lot of evidence that medium-nothing companies are either unwilling or unable to promote from within.
(comment deleted)