Ask HN: How much of your time is spent in meetings?
If you're a developer for a 'big corp' how much of your time (% or hrs) a week is spent in meetings?
At a new 'big corp' job, and the amount of meetings seems far larger than other employers. To the point of a meeting every other hour, killing productivity. Hoping to get a better understanding of what would be considered normal/average in large organizations.
Aside from an all employees gathering, the biggest meeting yet involved two entire teams (~15ppl not all developers) for a full hour of discussion. For comparison, I had to get approval to order a $40 laptop stand, and estimating the meeting to be worth about $600 of salary time called on a whim.
EDIT (to clarify what counts): Agile/scrum company, and we don't count first day of sprint (spring planning) or last day (sprint reviews).
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 114 ms ] threadWe started literally putting up a cost clock, that ticked off the running cost of a meeting. It was surprisingly convincing and motivating for everyone, even (especially?) our external customers who were previously happy to sit and chat for hours.
That said, there's a reason I don't work at a 'big corp' anymore :)
So far, we've just started filing our calendar with bogus 'private meetings' so we can get stuff done. I can't see working for 'big corp' type companies forever, and I do like the experience so far -more learning about 'big corp' world.
- Oracle (past): 1.5 hours a week (a few thousands ppl)
Both cases my team and management avoided unnecessary meetings, the 1.5h is for two meetings: 1:1 and team meeting. It's not up to the company size, but instead how optimized your team wants to behave.
note: I am in a SW Engineer position. Not sure about Marketing, HR, Finance..etc.
We're full agile on the software side, so teams are mixed positions with at least one business-y person (~1000 ppl company).
That seems excessive - are you sure that's typical across your company and not just unique to your team?
Anyway, to answer your question, at VMware I spend about about two hours a week in meetings. [N.B. I'm a fairly junior engineer, more senior ones typically spend more time in meetings]
I let that happen exactly once before bringing it up to my supervisor. According to him, seems like it's at least across our dept (IT/software dev).
The history sounds like it didn't use to be an issue until they moved into a giant 'open office' with very few walls/rooms. What normally would've been a quick conversation in someone's office turns into booking a meeting room, and the mentality turns into, "Might as well invite XYZ too because now it's a meeting."
EDIT: typos and clarity
This was a heavy week, I have 14.5 hours of scheduled of meetings (out of 40 worked, so ~36%). Some meetings went over, so I estimate I can easily add between 1 and 2 extra hours. I ended up having an emergency so I lost an additional 3 hours, but that's extraordinary circumstance.
Last week was lighter, at 5 hours.
If you don't count stand-ups, take 3 hours away from each week.
Thanks, I'll add that to the original post.
I'd like to hope those aren't the only two options!
One day a week, half our day was spent in scheduled meetings regardless of whether or not there was a set agenda in advance. Additionally, daily standups would last ~15-30 minutes depending on who was rambling for the day on a team of five.
I would be invited into meetings to discuss speculative things without a set agenda all the time. After a while, I began to decline meetings in which I would have no direct impact or could get a good summary of via email.
One "prospective invite" I indirectly received was when a small project I was working on changed stakeholders, and a new person I hadn't been introduced to was looped in via email. The project was for an internal tool that less than five people in the entire company would ever interact with. This new person who was looped in said something along the lines of:
"_____ (new stakeholder), are you thinking of discussing this in our meeting next week? If so, should we extend that meeting to cover it? Let's invite ______ (me, OP) so we can talk about it."
I ended up blocking off my entire day with appointments on my calendar that were just for me working so I wouldn't get invited to as many.
Serious question. How do other folks get collaborative work done on big projects without having meetings to discuss/brainstorm/check in/etc? There seems to be a strong attitude here of "I am working on $THING, therefore leave me alone unless it's an emergency," but how does that actually work when $THING gets complex, malleable, ill-defined, risky, changed, etc?
Times that you're working on $THING and a matter related to it legitimately requires you and n other people dropping what you're doing to talk about it synchronously are very rare.
If you're seeing a product evolve in complexity that much during the development phase I'd look elsewhere for issues. Those high-touch brainstorming/problem solving phases should be worked out well in advance of engineering.
If you're speaking to those phases then I've found those are done much better in person. Even for remote teams (I'm remote as well) getting together in person for large project kickoffs is vitally important. Collaboration can be done async, but I'm a firm believer for in person meetings for conceptualizing those "new" things.
Zach Culverwell zach.culverwell@eventboard.io 415-813-3772
Line managers seem to spend most of their time in meetings.
If more than 1/4 of your day is in meetings as a developer you're in WAY too many and honestly... even then if it's an average it's too much (we've all had meeting heavy days, but a rolling average shouldn't be that much)
I don't really mind the volume because when I was a developer I liked working with managers who tried to keep my calendar as open as possible and only bringing me into meetings when my opinions were needed.
I try to emulate that now I am a manager and have a sizable staff of developers. I will typically take meetings that traditionally would have included a developer or two. I will only bring them in if it's obvious their input is needed or they specially asked to be more visible to the process.
I'd say developers on my team average about 2 hours a week in scheduled meetings. There of course are times where breakouts need to happen to discuss some fine points of such and such thing but such things are part of the job too.
- about 2hrs/week for larger meetings
- about 1hr/day in Skype meetings where I can tune in half-way
- about 1hr/day in working meetings with 1 or 2 other engineers
That said I'm a mid-level dev and I know the more senior devs & boss are in meetings more often working out how things will work with other departments and such.
In a previous role at the same company, my meeting load varied between maybe 1 and 8 hours, depending on how many things involving other teams I was working on and how controversial the design decisions for that project were.
Does time spent on HN count?