They also have a long way to go in instilling trust. Their decades of abuse of customers using their printers shows they are very happy to throw customers under the bus (intentionally preventing printers from printing). I just don't see any reason to buy from a company that has such a long (and intact currently) history of such customer abuse.
I don't know what abuse they will foist on laptop purchases but given their company culture I figure it isn't smart to trust them to prioritize customer interests.
“The thing we were terrified about when switching over to PC’s, was learning Windows, but it wasn’t as bad as we thought, especially because we spend the majority of our time in Adobe® Premier Pro and the interface is exactly the same.”
That actual inspires confidence for me. I expect the opposite -- for HP's marketing people to scrub out anything that isn't positive, and the fact that they're being honest here is refreshing.
The decades of Apple Marketing on the disaster of the Windows UI is seriously the biggest barrier for these people.
I do some sub-contracting on Video projects (My expertise is audio) and the "creative crowd" since the 1990s has made Apple apart of their identity. Most shops were Windows shops till mid 2000s to Final Cut. Now most shops are again Adobe shops and many are switching back to Windows and it really is a weird identity crisis for many of them. Also then hate how excited I get when I see non-Apple tech replacing their machines.
You're right but there's also truth to what you quoted. I switched to Windows 10 earlier this year and before doing so I had concerns about privacy issues, malware, and the half-baked UI. The following three solutions somewhat addressed the privacy and malware concerns:
I use Wox [1] as an Alfred replacement so most of my interactions with applications is via that. Other than that most of my time is spent in tiled browser windows, editors or IDEs, and terminals so I could really be using any OS. I wouldn't say it's perfect but using OS X and then Arch involved different compromises.
They do get some points for misleading product comparison. On the page they use the "starting at" price and then specify the max specs that you can customize to. Not the specs related to that price.
Haven't we always? Just because the ad isn't served from apple.com doesn't change things much.
That said I suspect many upvotes-before-read here, as the site is horrible. The "move away from Mac" sentiment seems to pick up on some popularity here recently.
I'm all about considering alternatives when it comes time to replace my MacPro, but HP probably isn't going to be one of them. A colleague ordered a couple of attractively priced HP pre-built systems (not the 'workstations' though) within the last year and the ordering and fulfillment process was as byzantine as you would expect from HP. What advantage does HP have over any other prebuilt PC system? (Perhaps the awesome website for downloading drivers...)
Sad. I can remember 20 years ago when I was a SysAdmin lusting after HP machines because they were built better than anything else, the quality of the case and components was unquestionably superior.
Thick, plastic, and ugly. Something tells me the technical merits won't mean a thing for many creatives if it means being seen in public with these turds.
I hate to say it, but HP has been reduced to a punchline in pretty much every space they used to be respected in. I wish that they would just let the brand die and rest in peace.
Sadly, this happens too often on various things - in 50% of time I don't end up buying the thing because I don't know where to checkout. It should be easier for me to spend money, I guess.
I use a Dell Latitude for laptop and generally get no name PCs for desktops (built by some local company that know what they do.) Why would I want to go Z?
I'm always reminded of scenes in the west wing where they argue about "naming your opponent", and how it gives them extra publicity and recognition.
I've seen a whole heap of microsoft etc saying "My Mac couldn't do that" or "I switched from a mac". It feels like a bad strategy to give apple that much air time in your ads.
Meh. Personally, for desktops/workstations, the best part is spec'ing out the components and building it myself.
I get it, it's not for everybody, but at least for performance-oriented software devs, in my opinion it's worth knowing how the "nuts and bolts" fit together. At the least, having a basic understanding of computer engineering helps you know where to best spend your money, even if you let an OEM handle the compatibility/reliability/assembly/testing issues.
It's the compatibility issues that stop me from doing that anymore. I don't have time for a video card / motherboard combo that lock up intermittently once every 2 days. I'd rather just buy a decent workstation or laptop.
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 56.4 ms ] threadThere's so many things wrong with the web site, they don't seem to get it.
I don't know what abuse they will foist on laptop purchases but given their company culture I figure it isn't smart to trust them to prioritize customer interests.
Typo or haven't updated the site since last year?
“The thing we were terrified about when switching over to PC’s, was learning Windows, but it wasn’t as bad as we thought, especially because we spend the majority of our time in Adobe® Premier Pro and the interface is exactly the same.”
I do some sub-contracting on Video projects (My expertise is audio) and the "creative crowd" since the 1990s has made Apple apart of their identity. Most shops were Windows shops till mid 2000s to Final Cut. Now most shops are again Adobe shops and many are switching back to Windows and it really is a weird identity crisis for many of them. Also then hate how excited I get when I see non-Apple tech replacing their machines.
* https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
* https://www.malwarebytes.com/antimalware/
* https://www.glasswire.com/
I use Wox [1] as an Alfred replacement so most of my interactions with applications is via that. Other than that most of my time is spent in tiled browser windows, editors or IDEs, and terminals so I could really be using any OS. I wouldn't say it's perfect but using OS X and then Arch involved different compromises.
[1] https://github.com/Wox-launcher/Wox/
https://www.pastery.net/ujprbd/
That said I suspect many upvotes-before-read here, as the site is horrible. The "move away from Mac" sentiment seems to pick up on some popularity here recently.
EDIT: found it out, but what a way to divide your conversion rate!
That said, how is the Linux compatibility?
I use a Dell Latitude for laptop and generally get no name PCs for desktops (built by some local company that know what they do.) Why would I want to go Z?
I've seen a whole heap of microsoft etc saying "My Mac couldn't do that" or "I switched from a mac". It feels like a bad strategy to give apple that much air time in your ads.
I get it, it's not for everybody, but at least for performance-oriented software devs, in my opinion it's worth knowing how the "nuts and bolts" fit together. At the least, having a basic understanding of computer engineering helps you know where to best spend your money, even if you let an OEM handle the compatibility/reliability/assembly/testing issues.
However it is no different than submitting new MacBook Pro page. It is OK if it would not gain upvotes, but flagging seems out of place.
Is flagging used instead of non-existing downvoting?
I submitted because I though it was interesting, of course. No affiliation with HP.