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A middle ground is best from my experience in lecturing. Lecturing for the first time made me realize why I had always slept through classes in HS, UG, and grad school. But as a lecturer, doing a complete 180 flip is too work intensive. I found lecturing 2/3 classes a week with worksheets in the class and 1 class a week devoted to project meetings with my student groups was most effective.

While meeting many student groups would seem like it would take a lot of time, it ended up being about the same as a lesson prep + lecture time (there is needed prep and recovery time in lecturing).

People also need to realize, college instructors aren't paid to teach. They're paid to research and so of course they'll be lazy on sharing what they've learned from teaching. Universities have teaching centers, but those can only do so much when you really need to also be talking to fellow instructors in your specific field since every topic can't be taught the same.

> People also need to realize, college instructors aren't paid to teach.

I understand that this is the prevailing attitude, but it is not true. If they were not paid to teach, there would be no consequences for them failing to provide lectures—i.e., they would not be fired—then instructors would simply not show up. It's not volunteer work.

As a former academic, I can tell you the sad truth is that most instructors simply do not care about that aspect of their jobs and phone it in. I think it's probably more accurate to say that there is no reward for being a good, caring instructor (and vice versa, no real punishment for being a lazy or ineffectual instructor).

While acadmeics would get fired for not teaching at all, they wouldn't get fired for very bad, poorly prepared teaching. And that leaves more time for research and grants, which is how you get promoted.
> People also need to realize, college instructors aren't paid to teach. They're paid to research and so of course they'll be lazy on sharing what they've learned from teaching.

Tenure-track professors are rewarded mostly based on research, but many classes are taught by lecturers, instructors, adjuncts, and other non-tenure-track teaching staff. These people should care about teaching efficacy, though they are often overworked (see below) so perhaps they just don't have time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/opinion/the-college-facult...

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/05/the-cos...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/24/exploi...

You say overworked, but I think underpaid is the more important aspect to consider for that class of teaching positions. The effort/compensation ratio is not incentivizing.
>Tenure-track professors are rewarded mostly based on research, but many classes are taught by lecturers, instructors, adjuncts, and other non-tenure-track teaching staff.

But a lot of those people are teaching to pay the bills as they do research in an effort to get on the tenure track.

People also need to realize, college instructors aren't paid to teach. They're paid to research and so of course they'll be lazy on sharing what they've learned from teaching. Universities have teaching centers, but those can only do so much when you really need to also be talking to fellow instructors in your specific field since every topic can't be taught the same.

I was a lecturer in math and engineering for one semester at a big ten university. Most college teaching is done by adjuncts, who have no research responsibilities unless they're also holding down a separate research job or trying to do scholarship on their own time. They have nothing to share because they don't last long enough to develop real expertise.

My background is in k12 education. I would love to hear from folks with higher education teaching experience on what level of training and/or expectation is involved in their curriculum and instructional design.

My anecdotal experience as a once-ago student and now teacher is that significantly more consideration goes into k12 instructional practices compared to higher education.

Perhaps it's merely a matter of student expectations aligning instructor incentives: in k12, I am being held accountable for the educational progress/lack of progress in my students regardless of ability and background, but in higher education this is not the focus of accountability. Other concerns take priority - so instructional practices tend to be traditional and, consequently, are shared less frequently?

I personally think that K-12 education is a disaster driven by dogmatism. I think the only reason K-12 education works at all is because of the incredible effort individual teachers put forth.

I think we may both be right in a sense. My view is based on my schooling experiences: I have dysgraphia, which made the traditional methods of K-12 education literally torturous for me. Despite a formal diagnosis and a IEP, I had to constantly fight with teachers and school administrators to get accommodations.

I went to a small school for college, and I graduated on time despite being one of the most academically rigorous institutions in the country. College was definitely a struggle for me, but I felt that the professors were on my side, and had a holistic view of student success. This experience might be different if you went to a research institution, where classes were taught by TAs.

The only reason K12 wasn't a complete disaster for me is because my parents were immensely supportive, and because I realized that a learning disability didn't make me worse than other people. I get angry every time I think back to the other kids who were in special education with me, who were treated like problems by teachers and administrators because they interfered with the K12 machinery. They internalized all of this hatred towards themselves and hated themselves because of it.

The focus on test scores, graduation rates, and college attendance in K12 education is a disaster that hurts the most vulnerable children in our school system. I listen to my friends who are teachers, and they all know who these children are, but they don't have the time or the resources to help them. Enforcing accountability through grades and test scores ensures that these students will be left behind, because their energy is better spent making sure 10 other students score 5 percentage points higher on the next standardized test.

Thank you for your comment. I completely agree with what you're saying about misaligned standards/incentives in k12 education and how that can, and does, create really rough experiences for students. Some of the best educational environments I have had the opportunity to work inside of have been small classroom alternative programs. The kids brought with them massively diverse challenges/needs - but the environments lacked the same "benchmark" cultural pressures that regiment standard classrooms. Teachers had the time and opportunity to figure out what each kid needs AND the time and opportunity to build learning experiences around those needs. In a standard classroom, the teacher will often completely understand the former but remain logistically/circumstantially unable to provide the latter.

We will never have the number of classrooms that can provide that level of support because it would explode the budget of schools. It's probably part of the answer, though.

This is an interesting question, but I worry that people overestimate the value of "teaching teaching".

Most people who've been trained in sales or leadership know how much of that training is useless. The techniques work fine for the teacher, they might work fine for someone else in the class, but they don't work for you. It's a fundamentally social, interpersonal task, and so a method that works for one person may fall completely flat for another.

The teachers I know generally describe something similar. A full day of staff development might produce one good insight, and it's not always clear which tip is good and which ones aren't going to work for you.

My best teachers have shared certain skills, but they've also taught with vastly different formats and techniques. Training helps, and all of them were experienced teachers, but attempts to "export" advanced teaching skills almost always fall flat.

Maybe because they aren't that many ways to teach? there are certainly some known fundamentals and maybe some tricks that improve teaching marginally, but I doubt there is some pedagogical silver bullet waiting to be found.

But more importantly, professors would do a better job if they had incentives to teach. It is time consuming to prepare a class, especially if there are labs to set up and maintain. Even worse, some professors have to teach classes for things that are not their domain of expertise. In some universities, it's not uncommon that, let say, a professor specializing in logic has to teach operating systems.

All the time spent on teaching is basically lost as career advancements are based on research and administrative work.

The big problem is simply how much time it takes to teach effectively.

Teaching even a single class (2 lectures/3 hours each per week+new homework assignments so students can't copy your old ones+answering questions in email+office hours) when you are fully engaged is a 40 hour per week commitment for 12-14 weeks.

If you are required to teach more than 2 classes, your teaching quality suffers. If your research needs priority, your teaching quality suffers.

Improving pedagogy is wonderful, and I'm glad people are looking at it. However, what everybody actually needs is the time to put it into practice.

The fact that teachers are woefully underpaid for this kind of thing just makes everything worse (Most lecturers I know get less than $5000 for a 12-14 week course--they could make more at McDonald's or WalMart).

Because of perverse directives, and the bootstrapping problem. Research generates citations, citations generate tenure. Teaching does neither (currently).
I find it difficult to separate the "teaching practices" from the "teaching content." Wouldn't the approach the teachers take be dictated by the textbooks they're using? Even in primary school, a good lesson would be planned around some activity or handout. Or does every teacher just improvise the lesson on the spot each year?

From what I know about teacher portfolios, their focus is often "too meta": they discuss the process the teacher used rather than share the actual result (e.g. lesson plan, notes, or slides).

At the education meetup during Pycon 2014, Greg Wilson of software-carpentry asked a really good related question: Why does open source work so well for code and not so well for educational content? I don't know if anyone has an answer to that yet... Why is OER not taking off more? Here is a blog post of my own ideas about what git-for-authors could look like: https://minireference.com/blog/git-for-authors/ It's a really interesting space to watch.

College teaching is not easy, for a number of reasons. One suggestion I would make is that every college teacher should be required to take course in public speaking.