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> “It looks cheap!” “It looks like something my kids can watch on the Cartoon Network for free!”

I demand only the highest quality animated vegetables.

That was a long, yet good read. I too have read Built to Last, and I'm rather surprised that by following the book's convictions, he got himself into trouble.

I guess the main lesson I took away was to live well below your means, both in personal life and in business, because you don't know what the future's going to be like. Projected sales of veggietales was way off mark that he kept approving expenses in ventures and territories he wasn't experienced in.

Correlation does not equal causation.

It seems to me that built to last ignores this fact. I have only read the executive summary, so I might be mistaken.

Moral of the story: don't take management advice from /Built to Last/ or from God.
Or, don't use God as an excuse to take the risky path every time.
Don't Take Management Advice from god. I am writing that one down and putting it on my bulletin board. :)
Wow, that was long.

Here are some sections I think are interesting for people who don't have time to read all eleven parts:

> We were proposing to triple our expenses, while only doubling our sales. More concerning, we were proposing to double our staff size, without increasing our ability to produce films. Of the 165 hires being requested, only a handful were in the animation studio. Ninety percent were in finance, HR, marketing, licensing and design. So at 315 people we would be able to produce no more videos per year than we had produced five years earlier with a staff of 10.

> Did I want to release all of this product? Did every last bit of it have a compelling ministry objective? Did it all fit into my “masterplan” to benefit America's kids? Frankly, no. None of it was against our mission, and most of it promoted a biblical value or virtue in some way, shape or form, but the sheer volume was driven not by mission, but by a desperate need to keep Big Idea from collapsing. Many of us felt the tension between our ministry-driven mission and the vast amount of merchandise we were attempting to drive into the market. The pace of work, however, left precious little time for introspection.

> There were no comparables for VeggieTales. Our sales had skyrocketed 3300% in four years! Against that backdrop, how do you project the future? More skyrocketing? Was our growth almost done, or just getting started? Look at another example: Between Christmas 2003 and Christmas 2004, sales of Apple's iPod increased by a staggering 500%. A huge success, but also a huge challenge. How many iPods do you make for Christmas 2005? 500% more than 2004? 100% more? 10% less? Unprecedented success is extremely difficult to manage simply because it is unprecedented. Every year is a big ol' guess.

> I was a shy kid who would rather read Starlog Magazine or build a rudimentary optical printer out of cannibalized 8mm projectors than show up at the prom or run for student government. As VeggieTales took off, I became terrified that my business inexperience and lack of people skills would result in Big Idea's failure. So, in a panic, I brought in others to help, often spending far too little time getting to know them before or after the hire. I then backed down from my own convictions, assuming that an executive with an impressive resume surely knew better than a Bible college dropout.

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So many decisions involving tens of millions of dollars were made based on nothing concrete. Not even gut feeling. Just blind hope.

And it's horrible because the stuff they guessed about is knowable to some extent. I seriously doubt Apple goes into Christmas having no clue what the iPod demand will be. It seems like simple market research would have clued them in.

Interesting too is the settling that happened in picking the first executive team. He couldn't convince the best people to move, so he settled for second tier. That seems like a horrible decision: spending just as much money with lower chances of success.

I'm sad to see the company go down, but some of the decisions made were just dumb: Obviously a cheap, 2D spinoff is not going to be as successful as its parent. Why would you agonize over firing 30 people when the entire company is going bankrupt in months?

There's a lot to think about in this story.

Not just a second tier executive team, but second tier legal counsel as well. It's telling that he felt sorry for his lawyer after he lost a case that he should have won handily. Like many people who focus on making something good, he's just way too nice. He doesn't seem to understand the implications of the fact that many people get wealthy by securing a piece of a carcass that other people kill.
I'm a bit ashamed to say it, as I'm sure the people involved are all very nice, and I don't wish them any ill, but I'm smiling to learn that the company behind Veggie Tales is dead. I was pretty much disgusted when I watched a few episodes with my nephew. It's rather obnoxious Christian propaganda, and I really don't think kids should be exposed to that kind of thing in the guise of cute cartoons.
Really? I've only seen a couple a while back, but I thought the preaching was really tame; it was mostly be kind, don't lie, etc. kinds of messages with a isn't God wonderful tacked on the end.
So perhaps I'm overly sensitive, but in the couple of episodes I saw, it seemed pretty overtly superstitious, to me. My sister (the mother of the nephew in question), who isn't religious, also defended them as being "ethical rather than religious lessons"...and she saw a lot more of them than I did. So, perhaps I judge too harshly. But when/if I have kids, I expect I'll avoid the religious stuff when looking for ways to entertain them.
You don't intend for your children to make up their own minds about religion?
Yes, when they're old enough to understand that adults often tell lies.

Other things my kids won't learn about, unless they want to explore it from the perspective of human superstitions or in fantasy stories:

Astrology

Witchcraft

Area 51

Scientology

Sasquatch

Vampires

Elves

Oh, yeah, and can't forget Eskimos

Of course, in the context of fantasy, all of this stuff is fine. But I don't think adults should tell kids that things that are clearly fantasy are, in fact, reality. Kids actually believe things that adults tell them, so I think you should try to tell the truth to kids as much as possible.

and if your lengthy list contains a mistake somewhere?
It might...but here's the thing, there's no evidence that it does. Religious folks don't believe in hundreds or thousands of gods, just like I disbelieve the existence of them (Christians don't believe in Zeus, Krishna, etc.), we just disagree on the number of gods to disbelieve.

Should we teach kids that all of those hundreds or thousands of gods might be real? No? Why not? Couldn't we be wrong about them not existing? So, if, in fact, one of those gods is real, you have an imperceptibly better chance of telling your children the truth than I do. But if, in fact, all of them are human creations, then you're just confusing them with a bunch of old superstitions....all of which have some pretty crazy ideas about how the world works and how humans ought to treat one another. Sure, some are better than others, and some are more modern than others, but if they aren't true, why confuse kids with odd fictions in the guise of "One Truth"?

there's a big difference between teaching that something is true, and providing information about mainstream ideas (including criticism of them) to help children make their own decisions.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the value of exposing kids to Christian cartoons that have little other merit (I think most kids programming has little other merit, so I'm not just picking on Veggie Tales...there are many things I'd rather kids not watch, most of which don't have Christian beliefs as one of the things they're teaching). And that's OK.
We aren't disagreeing about the merit of that show. We are disagreeing about the merit of the parent making all the decisions about what the kid is allowed to watch.
And really I think you're just having a semantical disagreement when your core beliefs are pretty similar.
Core beliefs about religion might be similar, but not about attitudes to parenting. I've only expressed a small part of my disagreement.
"We are disagreeing about the merit of the parent making all the decisions about what the kid is allowed to watch."

We are? OK, I guess that's something to think about. I kinda think it's part of a parents job to decide what young children see and hear. Hard core pornography, extreme violence, cultist propaganda of most kinds, and various forms of hate speech, all fall into the category of "things young children shouldn't have to figure out yet", for me. They'll see/hear it all when they get a little older, and that's OK, but we're talking about the Veggie Tales age group: 3-5 years old, or so.

I kinda think it's part of a parents job to decide what young children see and hear.

Yeah, that is the thing I've been disagreeing about.

I don't think "stuff the parent thinks is good/bad" is a reasonable criterion for what a child gets to see or not. It should be the child's decision, with advice from his parent.

The fundamental issue is that if you can't persuade someone of your ideas, that is a bad reason to force him. If your child wants to see a religious video despite your advice, then he should see it. If it's full of dumb ideas it won't be very persuasive anyway, right? Certainly not more persuasive than the wise parent..?

How do you give a three or four year old decision making power with regards to the media they consume? Buy some DVDs and let them pick the ones with the best cover?
Most of my practical advice is nothing too special. You could get video previews for some shows, or get descriptions or read reviews and explain what it's about to child and see if he likes the sound of it. You can offer to get more of the same kind as something he likes. Parents already do these things at least sometimes.

What parents don't generally do is have an attitude of trying to get whatever their child likes. They do that "within reasonable limits". Reasonable being a matter of their own judgment. They have preconceived ideas about what shows are bad, and try to avoid their child finding out about them instead of refuting the bad ideas. They fear "bad influences", instead of thinking that the worse an idea is, the less persuasive it is.

One consequence of this attitude is that sometimes children want something, and their parents refuse, supposedly for the child's own good, and the child gets upset. Plenty of parents would, if their kid saw an episode of Veggie Tales (or whatever) and liked and repeated some ideas from it, say "omg the evil christians are polluting his mind" and forbid him from seeing the second episode that he's looking forward to. That's the wrong approach. Keeping people ignorant of ideas you think are bad is not the path to the truth.

FYI the 7 or 8 downmods i got in this thread came in the space of a few seconds. Likely downmodding without reading.
I think someone found the discussion unattractive, and I kind of have to agree. We should have left it at "agree to disagree".
"The fundamental issue is that if you can't persuade someone of your ideas, that is a bad reason to force him."

Classic. I wish I could be there the day you try to persuade a 3 year old with your ideas. Have you met any young children, ever? You'll have a cantankerous and unhappy 80-pounder on your hands in no time, as they watch crap, consume crap, and learn crap from mainstream television and movies. I'm more laissez faire than most when it comes to kids, as I was raised in a very relaxed household and I think it works out very well in encouraging independent thought, but it's just stupid to imagine that a 3 year old can make wise decisions about their consumption. They simply don't have the knowledge to make reasonable choices, and you've never had the infinite "why?" conversation if you think they do.

See, I told you we disagree. I'm going to drop it now since you aren't interested in my ideas.
You must have missed the "3 minute wrapup" at the end. They do light preaching throughout, then hammer you with the "Things you should have learned about god and the "right way" " at the end of each show.

I agree with the original post. It's christian propoganda. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it never belonged in the mainstream. THAT is why sales of videos never went above 7 million per year. There is no market for a "christian god" with a lot of people. That is the thing he never mentions. His market was limited from the start, and he STILL doesn't see that...

good read.

It's interesting - the author wasn't pressured by external forces (VCs) to grow big - he wanted to grow big as fast as possible. He didn't grow because of demand but because of his dreams, which is the number 1 reason why he failed. It's strange, too, because he wasn't competing to capture market space; nor was he under any sort of deadline to sell the company at a certain valuation.

If the author had just kept on making veggie tales like he had been doing before he wanted to grow big, the company would have been fine. Veggie tales was a solid product that had everything going for it.

One of the more interesting pieces of this story is how different Vischer has dealt with failure than a more typical startup founder. It seems like failure is usually quite acceptable, if not even applauded, but Vischer seems to feel a significant personal failure. His apology paragraph on the last page is especially telling, and I would guess quite rare in the realm of "startups."
Not everyone can lead a company. luck can only take you so far.
I believe if he ran the company himself instead of leaving it to other people then he would have been fine. His common sense was right on, he just didn't have the faith he should have had.

I am unsure how much he prayed about his decisions, but I believe he didn't pray enough and listened to other people too much.

> I am unsure how much he prayed about his decisions, but I believe he didn't pray enough and listened to other people too much.

Prayer as a surrogate for decision-making?

Prayer before decision making... not in place of decision making. What you are saying is a lot like saying you want to pray food into your stomach. It just isn't going to happen. You have to take action but are you going take your action in the context of the "world" (world tells him he does not have the skills to run such a large company) or do you take action in prayer (the world says one thing, but look at what has been created, you are not so bad as you think you are).

He listend to what the world was telling him and his creation was taken away from him. He put his company into the hands of people who didn't care what happened, it was there "job" and they would go out and get another "job" when this job was done.

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