Ask HN: Dual monitors, or single 4k?

39 points by roryisok ↗ HN
I currently have a single 29" LCD monitor which I'm finding a bit cramped. More and more I find myself with multiple tiled windows, and I'm starting to feel that 1920x1080 pixels is not enough anymore.

I'm a coder by trade and hobby, don't really do any video or graphics stuff (the odd logo in Photoshop)

I'm trying to decide between getting a second 29" monitor, or a higher resolution and probably larger replacement screen. What's your setup? Which do you prefer? Is your average 4k TV good enough to work as a Desktop monitor?

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27" 5k is the way to go
Agreed 100%. Just got a new Mac setup (MBP w/ Touchbar and 27" LG Ultrafine 5k). Single cable that carries video, power, data is epic.

You can scale the UI, but the monitor just so pleasant at 1/4 effective res. Embrace cmd + tab. And tmux.

Would you prefer using two of those 5k monitors? I'm curious. I bought two nice LG 4k monitors for less than the price of one of those 5k monitors, and I'm pretty happy with my workflow now. Admittedly, it's a two-cable situation.
I've got one of the LG 5K monitors being delivered tomorrow and I'm worried I'll end up wanting a second one... guess we'll find out soon.
I prefer a single monitor. Maybe that's a result of my mild ADD
I have a 4k monitor, and it's really not much different than a 1440p monitor in terms of real estate because of the UI scaling...so I ended up getting a second 1440p monitor which I use in portrait mode. Portrait mode really is pretty amazing for reading code.
For me, dual monitors are a must. Just my preference. I cannot work with a single monitor no matter what the resolution is.

One advantage of dual monitors is that if you ever have to do screen sharing, you can quickly hide anything on the other monitor that you don't want your clients to see while still being able to refer to it. Same goes if you are recording your screen/screecasting.

Programming with or without WYSIWIG?

Before you shell out more money, are you sure the problem cannot be solved by better keybinds and/or a better UI?

A TV has lower refresh rate and higher ms thereby increasing input lag. This is especially annoying during gaming.

I use a 15,4" MBP with 2880 x 1800 resolution. Without the keybinds I use it'd be a hell though.

On work we use 3x 27" monitors. But I could easily work with two (due to WYSIWYG) or one (if no WYSIWYG).

I don't know if we think WYSIWYG is the same thing or not, but if working on presentation I'll have source, browser and maybe a terminal, and maybe dev console open. That's 4 windows. I don't use a WYSIWYG editor though.

Not interested in gaming, I used to be but now I have no time for it.

I find a 40 inch 4k monitor perfect to code on.

4k@40" offers about the same ppi as a 27" at 1440p if scaling 1:1. So about the ideal text size imo, and obviously plenty of space to spread your code out.

Its also easy to work off completely one side while doing something unrelated in the other - atm I have a twitch stream and a browser on one side and an IDE on the other where I'm casually coding. Splitting the screens like this give you a better aspect ratio to read off than having 2 smaller monitors.

I've had 40' 4k for about 3 years, it's awesome. I had to mess around with setup because larger screen changed way I worked with stuff. But man, i can see from column A to EP and around 400 pdf pages (really small text).

http://imgur.com/a/kPRzq ^ eventually what i settled on, use 1920 as primary and if working on something would go on bigger.

23 Left Dell (emails, windows I'm not ready to close) 40 seiki ( excel, factset/bloomberg, chrome) 23 center hp (word, typing emails, reports) 23 right hp (xplorer2, network,file related)

Yup ive had a 39in 4k monitor for 4 yrs and its amazing. no black bar breaking up visual flow. no multiple cables going into the comp. no issues with widescreen or vertical layouts. no calibration issues between screens.

the only change i'd make is to get a curved 39in 4k monitor.

Do you find you're able to look at, and use the edges of your monitor? If you don't mind sharing the make and model of your current monitor that'd be great, thanks
3x1920:1200 in PLL.

I tried working with a single high res screen and went back, my mental model just fits 3 screens better.

It's too bad 4:3 or other more square ratio monitors aren't as easily available. I think I might be a 3 screen mental model guy as well.
Can still get Dell 2007FPs on eBay; I find a good set-up is 1920x1200 centre with 1600x1200s to both left and right (for linux, all driven by a single nvidia card nowadays).
I've got three monitors at work and one 4K TV as a monitor at home. When I switch from the work setup to the home setup, it feels a bit limiting for programming, but it's better for gaming, etc.
I have a question for those that require multiple monitors.

Is your workflow severely impaired when on a laptop alone? I.e. in a coffee shop?

Not severely but you do feel less effective.
For me it depends on what you're doing. If you are looking at a spec, it's annoying having to alt-tab all the time. Before I had dual monitors, I even resorted to -gasp- printing the spec so I could look at it while coding.
I cannot do any serious coding on a laptop, it's just too small. It's fine if I am traveling and have to debug something but otherwise no way, I've always needed large screens to get things done.

Some of my coworkers code in 80x40 windows and are totally fine with a single 25" 1080p screen, I have no idea how they manage honestly: I've run dual monitors since forever (running two physical video cards, before dualhead was available) and lately I find myself more productive on 3 screens at home rather than 2 at work.

No, I have my preferable setup for all screen sizes. At home, I have 28" 4k, my laptop is 13", and more than once I had to edit some config files or urgently patch something while not having my laptop, with iPhone and Prompt2 SSH client for iOS :)
>> Is your workflow severely impaired when on a laptop alone?

I find that with a MacBook Retina I can turn the scaling up and use an effectively higher resolution for a short amount of time to get a little more productivity.

Previously, I had an 11" MacBook Air (1366x768) and was basically unable to accomplish any development with only 768 vertical pixels.

Nope not at all, in some cases I would say it's better. I use multiple monitors but prefer each monitor in full-screen mode. That allows me to use tmux on my main monitor and slack or a browser on another. When I'm writing code on my laptop alone I just have one open at a time, which in some ways is more immersive and allows me to focus on one thing. It's usually at home alone with no other distractions so that is also a factor.
I use dual 27" 4K monitors, which I think is the perfect compromise.
Nice! Sounds like all that compromised there, was the wallet. ;)
It's actually not that expensive to get dual 27 @4k vs. a single very large format (32+) 4k if you hunt around for deals.

I bought a two LG 27UD680-P for 350 USD each last month over a single BenQ BL3201PH 32 which was about 800 USD at the time.

I did the exact same thing. It seems reasonable to spend $700 on the major interface you have with your computer. I also expect these monitors to last about 10 years.
I totally agree, I was just yanking your chain. :)

I made a similar decision to yours last year and am currently on a 5K 27" + 4K 27" setup myself.

Have you tried an ultrawide? I have this one [1] at work, and it's a lot like having two monitors.

(It's wasted on me, though. I like looking straight ahead, so I keep everything visually centered, and I find that putting stuff in the margins is just distracting clutter. I've never understood the appeal of tiling window managers or of filling a screen with lots of noisy background activity. It's nice if you need to display something super wide, however, like a diff or some complex log output.)

[1] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PXYRMPE

Nah, I don't want to have to turn my head that much
How do you like it? Also, any chance you do any photo editing on it?

On Thursday I almost bought a Dell U3417W[0] but I chickened at the last minute because I haven't been able to find much information on curved monitors and photo editing. Some people claim it's an issue, others claim that it's a fine and that it doesn't skew images.

The other one that I was looking at was the LG-34UC98-W (because Thunderbolt 2.0) but I read several reviews mentioning severe ghosting issues.

[0]: https://www.amazon.com/Dell-FR3PK-34-Inch-Led-Lit-Monitor/dp...

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/LG-34UC98-W-34-Inch-UltraWide-Thunder...

It's a good monitor, although it's not as bright as the Apple Cinema Display (which I have at home). I occasionally find myself wanting to increase the brightness when the room itself is bright.

I don't do photo editing on it, and I doubt that the curvature (which is very slight and almost unnoticeeable) is a problem; but I imagine the lack of brightness might be.

The width provides almost no utility for development (for me); I keep windows centered and only very rarely do I put stuff in the periphery. In apps like Photoshop, Illustrator and Lightroom do I find that there's a large benefit. With Chrome it's also wide enough that you can keep the browser side by side with the dev tools, which is nice.

I'd much rather have a "Retina Display" monitor. The Dell 5K looks great.

A few data points from a text/code/web based user..

- The most productive I've been has been using 3 monitors, 1 for messaging/research, middle screen for working, and right screen for testing/launching, etc.

Consider if you have an eyeglass prescription the amount of strain you may experience with any monitor size, pixel size, etc. The higher the prescription, astigmatism, etc, the more factors you may have to consider.

- Currently use 27" Asus at 1440p for the past few years. It was a big jump at the time but now I'm used to it and want more space. Tilts, pivots, so I got two to put them side by side. Not ideal, or bad either. The issue is the screen area, and how low and high you are able to look comfortably and productively.

- Have a friend who got a Philips 40" 4K and said it was too big in terms of the area you can look at without having to pivot your head a lot. Users with a 40'+ 4K monitor report a border of the screen around the outside that is not actively usable without for work but may be useful for other things like IM, etc.

- Asus has come out with a 31.5" monitor at 1440p that might be interesting to you depending on your needs and eyeglass prescription.

- Currently considering at one 33 to 38" 4K screen.

In some ways the three 19" 4:3 monitors I ran 10 years ago at 1200x1024 remain the perfect balance between size and productivity, although it only.

I'm using a Philips BDM4065UC at home. It's just under 40", 4K at 60hz. This gives you the same pixel density as a "normal" 27" monitor, but with far more space. I prefer it over smaller dual monitors, and feel no need for more screen space.

And yes, this is an actual monitor, not a TV.

I'm running a curved 48" 4k TV and absolutely love it. I have enough room to fit all of my windows, and the text isn't microscopic.

If you get a TV make sure it will do 4:4:4 chroma and 60hz over its interface (HDMI 2.0). You'll probably also need a DP to HDMI 2.0 dongle as well.

Two people have mentioned this now, great point. Something I hadn't even considered
I am soon going to upgrade to 3x 24" 4k displays in portrait mode. I used 3x22" 1650x1050 for many years.

I love hiDPI on my mobile devices, and this is a best way for desktop.

I have 4 monitors: laptop 14" screen plus 3 22" monitors. One of them is mounted vertically: perfect for Slack or longer pieces of code. I love this set up. You can find the monitors for cheap and it's much more flexible than just one TV. Additionally, I can rotate them so each is at a perfect angle for my eyes; can't do that with just one big TV.
I think multiple monitors is still better than one no matter the resolution, I personally run 3 monitors, and when working I have the one on the right always on email/chat, the one on the left switching between terminals and firefox, and the one in the middle on emacs or intellij depending on language.

With i3 I have keyboard shortcuts to move the focus to any monitor and/or to change workspace in any of them and/or to move windows between them, this seems more usable than a single monitor no matter what the resolution of it is.

If money was no object I think the best setup would be a 40" 4k in the middle, a 27" 1440p portrait on one side, and a 27" 1440p landscape on the other side, but I would rather have 3x27" than 1x40" any day of the week (and the 27" to be 1440p not to have to deal with scaling)

With a good tiling window manager (not osx or windows) you can do that kind of spatial separation of concerns on a big 4k, (curved if you aren't doing any kind of graphics work).
Unclear from your description as to whether you would think it sufficient, but Divvy (http://mizage.com/divvy/) does a good job of spatial window management on macOS.
Wondering if you had tried Moom as well? I ended up on it without much research a few years ago and feel it might be a bit lacking..
Haven't tried it, I just meant the native tiling features in Windows 10 and OSX weren't enough.
For me my 34" curved display (3440 x 1440) works perfectly fine. Switched from one 29" (horizontal) and a second 24" (vertical) display.
My main display is the same resolution. I absolutely love it, and rarely feel like I'm wanting for space.
I'm using a single 32" 4K monitor and it's perfect. Just the right size. I personally don't like using multiple displays, you want to have one centered which means the other one is too far away. Also, two widescreens is just too wide.

One benefit of having two displays is obviously having two logical displays, which can be useful sometimes. e.g. for fullscreening a video.

Also using a single 32" 4k screen and think it's perfect. I had 2 different 4k 40" over the years, seiki (thought I could get over the 30Hz, I couldn't) and a Philips (colors, ghosting, viewing angles were all wrong). I found the ~110DPI nice because it matched my previous setup 21" (rotated, 1080p) and 27" (1440p), but after I used a dell laptop at ~165dpi I considered 4k screens in the low 30" range.

Usual flow is split into 3 sections. website/documentation on the right half, emacs on the left upper, video/chat/email on the left lower.

I've used 1 27" 1440p monitor for quite a while. When combined with a laptop display, it gives me plenty of screen real estate. I typically split the 1440p display into 4 tiles (1280x720) using SizeUp.

Recently, I've been using a 27" 4K display at work. I mostly just run it in HiDPI 1440p (or one or two notches higher than 1440p). It looks prettier, but is functionally equivalent to a 27" 1440p.

I've found that displays larger than 30" require me to turn my head, which is non-optimal. Ultrawide monitors are especially bad (tried a 34" curved Samsung for a little while). Ditto for multiple 27" monitors.

Recently I switched to a single 27" 2560x1440 monitor as well.

Before that, I was using two old matching 20" 4:3 monitors, one in 1600x1200 configuration, and the secondary one in portrait 1200x1600.

Sometimes I miss being able to easily throw something over onto the second monitor, and the total screen real estate is a little less overall, but generally windows-key + arrow snapping gets the job done pretty well when I need to see two things at once.

Talking to some other devs where I work though (many of us work remotely), a lot have two or even three 27" monitors. I hardly even have the desk space for that... unless I stacked them vertically maybe.

> I hardly even have the desk space for that

I'd suggest you buy monitor arms. They really save a lot of space and make your setup way more ergonomic. I use 3 of these:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00358RIRC

They also have dual-arms.

Yeah, I could make it work somehow if I really want to. Has anyone here tried two monitors vertically like this?

http://i.imgur.com/TY9km4h.jpg

I don't look at a secondary monitor nearly as much as my primary so I feel like it could work, and I like that it's not super wide like dual widescreens, but I also know it could be terrible for your neck.

It wouldn't work that way. Bottom monitor needs to be higher for the well being of your neck and then, top monitor would be too high. I can't see this working long term.
Hadn't thought about the head turning thing. Interesting
my setup: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/559047/doupe.jpg

  middle: 5K, iMac (mid 2015)
  left: 4K, 27" Dell P2715Q 
  right: old Apple Cinema LED Display 27"
  mid-bottom-left: iPhone 5s, for testing
  mid-bottom-right: iPad Air, for testing, sometimes TweetDeck/HipChat with DuetDisplay
I think 5K iMac can drive 5K, plus two external 4K displays at full speed without issues

edit: also note that all the displays are 27", so they naturally fit side-by-side, that seems to be a detail, but it is quite important for seamless mouse movement (aligned virtual desktops). Even if physical pixel densities are not the same, all displays have the same virtual size: see https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/559047/aligned-displays.....

And the keyboard: http://www.daskeyboard.com, also highly recommended for a developer.

How would you compare the 5k screen vs the P2715? I have the latter at work and I find the picture quality (color, contrast) great. And dpi is also fairly good. Is the 5k noticably better?

PS: I personally wouldn't like that setup, too much lighting from all sides. But if it works for you it's certainly cool.

Any difference is barely noticeable to my eye. Even having them side-by-side with the same default macOS Sierra background does not feel like two different displays. Even if I try hard and focus on specific details the quality, color, contrast look the same to me.
Single monitor with as few windows open simultaneously as possible. Where some seem to find value in having multiple things visible at once, I find value in having those things hidden.
Just a different perspective - Depends on what you do. Personally I use a browser and some xterms -- that's it for the most part.

I have a 27" 1920x1080 at home and it's terrible. I usually use less than 60% of the available screen estate for displaying things. It's much too large (have to move my head from left to right inconveniently because my window manager places windows across the whole screen) and too much light is hitting my eyes from the unused areas.

At work I have a single 19" 5:4 1280x1024 LCD screen with ok colors / good contrast and I love it - just the right size. I use default keyboard shortcuts for window and workspace switching (it's mostly either browser or two vertically maximized xterms), works perfectly for me.

I have a 4k 40" curved Samsung HDTV as my monitor, the UN40JU6700.

In terms of dimensions, it is physically less wide than the 2 24" 1080p monitors I had before while having 4 times the resolution. It's also a similar width and horizontal resolution to the 34" ultrawides that are on the market now but significantly cheaper. The DPI is similar to a 27" 1440p monitor, which might be tiny if you're coming from 29" 1080p.

I highly recommend using this DPI calculator to find a pixel size that's comfortable for you: https://www.sven.de/dpi/

My workflow has definitely improved. I normally work with 2 terminals side by side, but now I have 3 terminals or 2 terminals and a browser window. There's no bezel in the middle to ruin that center terminal.

I keep my main applications along the bottom 1300 pixels or so with email/music/monitoring along the top.

Virtual machines and laptop connections are significantly less finicky because there is only one large display to configure.

The only negative to this setup is that the Samsung is definitely a television. I need to turn it manually on whenever I wake my computer and DPMS sleep doesn't take effect immediately.

On the other hand, I got rid of my speakers and now use HDMI audio instead.

Finally, if you're getting an HDTV, make sure your computer is compatible with HDMI 2 and the television supports 4:4:4 color. You want 4k@60Hz via HDMI 2 and 4:4:4 ensures your text isn't blurry.

RTINGS is invaluable for finding a TV with the right color input and latencies: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/pc-monitor/best

What kind of input lag do you get with that setup?
It's something like 20ms after a firmware update last year.

You need a GTX1080 to render games at 60fps and even then it's a struggle for more modern ones.

This is the same setup I have and couldn't be happier. Less expensive and with a Samsung panel the quality isn't lacking.
4k is awesome! But for higher picture quality, not for more screen estate. I find high DPI screens with activated scaling a lot less stressful to read on because of the smoother fonts.

4k on a > 32" screen won't have that advantage, DPI would be more or less like smaller screens but with a lot more screen estate. I personally wouldn't prefer that, as I already have found 30" screens slightly too big to work on - in the end I always looked only at small portions of the screen with my head turned in an akward way. 27" 4k works great for me. 2x 24" 4k might also be a great setup for some people. I personally prefer a single monitor for most tasks, because with 2 monitors at least one will always be badly aligned with the seating position.