Ask HN: Dual monitors, or single 4k?
I currently have a single 29" LCD monitor which I'm finding a bit cramped. More and more I find myself with multiple tiled windows, and I'm starting to feel that 1920x1080 pixels is not enough anymore.
I'm a coder by trade and hobby, don't really do any video or graphics stuff (the odd logo in Photoshop)
I'm trying to decide between getting a second 29" monitor, or a higher resolution and probably larger replacement screen. What's your setup? Which do you prefer? Is your average 4k TV good enough to work as a Desktop monitor?
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[ 5.4 ms ] story [ 126 ms ] threadYou can scale the UI, but the monitor just so pleasant at 1/4 effective res. Embrace cmd + tab. And tmux.
One advantage of dual monitors is that if you ever have to do screen sharing, you can quickly hide anything on the other monitor that you don't want your clients to see while still being able to refer to it. Same goes if you are recording your screen/screecasting.
Before you shell out more money, are you sure the problem cannot be solved by better keybinds and/or a better UI?
A TV has lower refresh rate and higher ms thereby increasing input lag. This is especially annoying during gaming.
I use a 15,4" MBP with 2880 x 1800 resolution. Without the keybinds I use it'd be a hell though.
On work we use 3x 27" monitors. But I could easily work with two (due to WYSIWYG) or one (if no WYSIWYG).
Not interested in gaming, I used to be but now I have no time for it.
4k@40" offers about the same ppi as a 27" at 1440p if scaling 1:1. So about the ideal text size imo, and obviously plenty of space to spread your code out.
Its also easy to work off completely one side while doing something unrelated in the other - atm I have a twitch stream and a browser on one side and an IDE on the other where I'm casually coding. Splitting the screens like this give you a better aspect ratio to read off than having 2 smaller monitors.
http://imgur.com/a/kPRzq ^ eventually what i settled on, use 1920 as primary and if working on something would go on bigger.
23 Left Dell (emails, windows I'm not ready to close) 40 seiki ( excel, factset/bloomberg, chrome) 23 center hp (word, typing emails, reports) 23 right hp (xplorer2, network,file related)
the only change i'd make is to get a curved 39in 4k monitor.
I tried working with a single high res screen and went back, my mental model just fits 3 screens better.
Is your workflow severely impaired when on a laptop alone? I.e. in a coffee shop?
Some of my coworkers code in 80x40 windows and are totally fine with a single 25" 1080p screen, I have no idea how they manage honestly: I've run dual monitors since forever (running two physical video cards, before dualhead was available) and lately I find myself more productive on 3 screens at home rather than 2 at work.
I find that with a MacBook Retina I can turn the scaling up and use an effectively higher resolution for a short amount of time to get a little more productivity.
Previously, I had an 11" MacBook Air (1366x768) and was basically unable to accomplish any development with only 768 vertical pixels.
I bought a two LG 27UD680-P for 350 USD each last month over a single BenQ BL3201PH 32 which was about 800 USD at the time.
I made a similar decision to yours last year and am currently on a 5K 27" + 4K 27" setup myself.
(It's wasted on me, though. I like looking straight ahead, so I keep everything visually centered, and I find that putting stuff in the margins is just distracting clutter. I've never understood the appeal of tiling window managers or of filling a screen with lots of noisy background activity. It's nice if you need to display something super wide, however, like a diff or some complex log output.)
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On Thursday I almost bought a Dell U3417W[0] but I chickened at the last minute because I haven't been able to find much information on curved monitors and photo editing. Some people claim it's an issue, others claim that it's a fine and that it doesn't skew images.
The other one that I was looking at was the LG-34UC98-W (because Thunderbolt 2.0) but I read several reviews mentioning severe ghosting issues.
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I don't do photo editing on it, and I doubt that the curvature (which is very slight and almost unnoticeeable) is a problem; but I imagine the lack of brightness might be.
The width provides almost no utility for development (for me); I keep windows centered and only very rarely do I put stuff in the periphery. In apps like Photoshop, Illustrator and Lightroom do I find that there's a large benefit. With Chrome it's also wide enough that you can keep the browser side by side with the dev tools, which is nice.
I'd much rather have a "Retina Display" monitor. The Dell 5K looks great.
- The most productive I've been has been using 3 monitors, 1 for messaging/research, middle screen for working, and right screen for testing/launching, etc.
Consider if you have an eyeglass prescription the amount of strain you may experience with any monitor size, pixel size, etc. The higher the prescription, astigmatism, etc, the more factors you may have to consider.
- Currently use 27" Asus at 1440p for the past few years. It was a big jump at the time but now I'm used to it and want more space. Tilts, pivots, so I got two to put them side by side. Not ideal, or bad either. The issue is the screen area, and how low and high you are able to look comfortably and productively.
- Have a friend who got a Philips 40" 4K and said it was too big in terms of the area you can look at without having to pivot your head a lot. Users with a 40'+ 4K monitor report a border of the screen around the outside that is not actively usable without for work but may be useful for other things like IM, etc.
- Asus has come out with a 31.5" monitor at 1440p that might be interesting to you depending on your needs and eyeglass prescription.
- Currently considering at one 33 to 38" 4K screen.
In some ways the three 19" 4:3 monitors I ran 10 years ago at 1200x1024 remain the perfect balance between size and productivity, although it only.
And yes, this is an actual monitor, not a TV.
If you get a TV make sure it will do 4:4:4 chroma and 60hz over its interface (HDMI 2.0). You'll probably also need a DP to HDMI 2.0 dongle as well.
I love hiDPI on my mobile devices, and this is a best way for desktop.
With i3 I have keyboard shortcuts to move the focus to any monitor and/or to change workspace in any of them and/or to move windows between them, this seems more usable than a single monitor no matter what the resolution of it is.
If money was no object I think the best setup would be a 40" 4k in the middle, a 27" 1440p portrait on one side, and a 27" 1440p landscape on the other side, but I would rather have 3x27" than 1x40" any day of the week (and the 27" to be 1440p not to have to deal with scaling)
One benefit of having two displays is obviously having two logical displays, which can be useful sometimes. e.g. for fullscreening a video.
Usual flow is split into 3 sections. website/documentation on the right half, emacs on the left upper, video/chat/email on the left lower.
Recently, I've been using a 27" 4K display at work. I mostly just run it in HiDPI 1440p (or one or two notches higher than 1440p). It looks prettier, but is functionally equivalent to a 27" 1440p.
I've found that displays larger than 30" require me to turn my head, which is non-optimal. Ultrawide monitors are especially bad (tried a 34" curved Samsung for a little while). Ditto for multiple 27" monitors.
Before that, I was using two old matching 20" 4:3 monitors, one in 1600x1200 configuration, and the secondary one in portrait 1200x1600.
Sometimes I miss being able to easily throw something over onto the second monitor, and the total screen real estate is a little less overall, but generally windows-key + arrow snapping gets the job done pretty well when I need to see two things at once.
Talking to some other devs where I work though (many of us work remotely), a lot have two or even three 27" monitors. I hardly even have the desk space for that... unless I stacked them vertically maybe.
I'd suggest you buy monitor arms. They really save a lot of space and make your setup way more ergonomic. I use 3 of these:
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00358RIRC
They also have dual-arms.
http://i.imgur.com/TY9km4h.jpg
I don't look at a secondary monitor nearly as much as my primary so I feel like it could work, and I like that it's not super wide like dual widescreens, but I also know it could be terrible for your neck.
edit: also note that all the displays are 27", so they naturally fit side-by-side, that seems to be a detail, but it is quite important for seamless mouse movement (aligned virtual desktops). Even if physical pixel densities are not the same, all displays have the same virtual size: see https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/559047/aligned-displays.....
And the keyboard: http://www.daskeyboard.com, also highly recommended for a developer.
PS: I personally wouldn't like that setup, too much lighting from all sides. But if it works for you it's certainly cool.
I have a 27" 1920x1080 at home and it's terrible. I usually use less than 60% of the available screen estate for displaying things. It's much too large (have to move my head from left to right inconveniently because my window manager places windows across the whole screen) and too much light is hitting my eyes from the unused areas.
At work I have a single 19" 5:4 1280x1024 LCD screen with ok colors / good contrast and I love it - just the right size. I use default keyboard shortcuts for window and workspace switching (it's mostly either browser or two vertically maximized xterms), works perfectly for me.
In terms of dimensions, it is physically less wide than the 2 24" 1080p monitors I had before while having 4 times the resolution. It's also a similar width and horizontal resolution to the 34" ultrawides that are on the market now but significantly cheaper. The DPI is similar to a 27" 1440p monitor, which might be tiny if you're coming from 29" 1080p.
I highly recommend using this DPI calculator to find a pixel size that's comfortable for you: https://www.sven.de/dpi/
My workflow has definitely improved. I normally work with 2 terminals side by side, but now I have 3 terminals or 2 terminals and a browser window. There's no bezel in the middle to ruin that center terminal.
I keep my main applications along the bottom 1300 pixels or so with email/music/monitoring along the top.
Virtual machines and laptop connections are significantly less finicky because there is only one large display to configure.
The only negative to this setup is that the Samsung is definitely a television. I need to turn it manually on whenever I wake my computer and DPMS sleep doesn't take effect immediately.
On the other hand, I got rid of my speakers and now use HDMI audio instead.
Finally, if you're getting an HDTV, make sure your computer is compatible with HDMI 2 and the television supports 4:4:4 color. You want 4k@60Hz via HDMI 2 and 4:4:4 ensures your text isn't blurry.
RTINGS is invaluable for finding a TV with the right color input and latencies: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/pc-monitor/best
You need a GTX1080 to render games at 60fps and even then it's a struggle for more modern ones.
4k on a > 32" screen won't have that advantage, DPI would be more or less like smaller screens but with a lot more screen estate. I personally wouldn't prefer that, as I already have found 30" screens slightly too big to work on - in the end I always looked only at small portions of the screen with my head turned in an akward way. 27" 4k works great for me. 2x 24" 4k might also be a great setup for some people. I personally prefer a single monitor for most tasks, because with 2 monitors at least one will always be badly aligned with the seating position.