The post tried to make the point that historically, Jewish men helped out around the house. It was an unreasonable reach. This comment was a succinct rebuttal of that point of view.
But of course you can't judge everyone's knee-jerk reaction, so I'll remove it if you still feel hurt.
All hamets (leaven) that is in my possession, that I have seen and not seen, that I have beheld and not beheld, that I have removed and not removed, let it be nullified and like the dust of the earth.
This could be fun as a basis for a meditative approach to debugging.
Spring cleaning is something funny to someone that comes from a country (Brazil) where people usually do a thorough cleaning on a weekly to daily basis (by themselves or hiring cleaning maids in the case of the upper classes).
Growing up (in the southern US) it was usually when we'd do stuff like go through closets, or reassess the placement of everything in the kitchen. It was more like reorganization than anything else. We cleaned all the time.
"Spring cleaning" where I am means "go through your things and throw away what you haven't used since the last spring cleaning."
Recently I was watching a TV show about some guys living in the woods in Alaska and they really mean spring cleaning. In their case, their farm animals' feces had spent the winter frozen to the coop and barn floor boards, so at the first thaw they scrambled to clean the place up quickly!
From what I've seen, it's common place to clean thoroughly every week lots of places.
The idea of "spring cleaning" is much more thorough than anyone would do week to week. For example taking everything out of every pantry and storage area, washing the backs of cupboards and storage, throwing expired things out, polishing metals, varnishing, etc.
It does probably have more currency in climates where the weather would keep you cooped in for months over winter, and thus happen on the first chance to give everthing a good airing and bry properly.
...Especially when about a fifth of said ethnicity is basically atheistic as well; quite a diverse bunch really, from ultra-orthodox 'Haredi' to a purely cultural identity.
Compared to the GP's "Jewish men..." notion, as though that were a useful group descriptor when it comes to behaviors. So, I suppose... compared to the often monolithic notions of Judaism that I so often encounter on and offline.
It might, but I think the current climate in much of the Islamic world, while not the crazed image many have, is actually pretty brutal to people within the religion who are seen as blasphemous. From what I know, and I have to admit that this isn't as much as I'd like, the process of proclaiming your faith pretty much involves accepting the existence of god, prophets, the "punishment of the grave," that kind of thing. My impression is that if you're seen to have lied about that, you're lucky just to be outcast.
tl;dr It really doesn't pay to be seen as an "apostate" in Islam, at least in most places at this time.
> From what I know, and I have to admit that this isn't as much as I'd like
In general when you're talking about a group of a billion people you should avoid generalisations, especially if you also need to say that you don't know what you're talking about.
Dan, I'm sorry that you've taken my attempts at diplomacy as a declaration of ignorance. However diverse a billion people may be, that diversity is limited when a requirement of the claimed identity is to recite the shahada with conviction. If you can explain how that can be done, "I declare that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah; and I declare that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah...." without belief in god and a divine prophet of that god, you're going to have to walk me through it.
That's a good one. In other words, if you state "I declare there is no deity worthy of worship but Allah", you leave it entirely possible that Allah itself doesn't exist. The follow up that "Mohammed is his messenger" is not a contradiction either.
So the claim then is that there is greater diversity in thought about whether or not a deity exists among an ethnic group than among a group for which membership is contingent on thinking a deity exists? I don't think that conveys very much information, except that there is not perfect uniformity among ethnic Jews on the issue.
Don't bother reading, waste of time. No mention of why cleaning is important, just lots of repetition about Jewish people using candles to see crumbs and sweeping them with a feather.
I haven't been this disappointed reading something in a while.
There is another interesting wrinkle to the described process. What if you miss a bit in the house? Something in the couch cushion perhaps. Uh oh!
Well, the super Orthodox Jews have a solution. Yes, you should make a good faith effort to eliminate all of the hamets in your house, but you can exploit a loophole! Hamets in your house, but not owned by you, are OK, so rabbis in these groups have a list of non-Jews willing to buy all remaining hamets in your house for $1.00 (or other small amount). They then own them and you are in the clear. There is a special term for these people, but I don't remember it.
But what if you later (after Passover) find a box of crackers you missed and you actually want them? No problem because the loophole has a loophole. The buyers don't actually pay you the $1.00, they just pay you a penny as a down payment. As part of their service, they then deliberately don't pay you any more, default on the contract, and, the day Passover, the box of crackers are actually yours again.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 81.8 ms ] threadThe post is a beautiful historical article that deserves a place here. It isn't to everyone's taste, but nothing is.
But of course you can't judge everyone's knee-jerk reaction, so I'll remove it if you still feel hurt.
This could be fun as a basis for a meditative approach to debugging.
Recently I was watching a TV show about some guys living in the woods in Alaska and they really mean spring cleaning. In their case, their farm animals' feces had spent the winter frozen to the coop and barn floor boards, so at the first thaw they scrambled to clean the place up quickly!
The idea of "spring cleaning" is much more thorough than anyone would do week to week. For example taking everything out of every pantry and storage area, washing the backs of cupboards and storage, throwing expired things out, polishing metals, varnishing, etc.
It does probably have more currency in climates where the weather would keep you cooped in for months over winter, and thus happen on the first chance to give everthing a good airing and bry properly.
In comparison to who?
I found it to be useful. In combination with some other comments, it gave me a particular idea about what the article was about.
tl;dr It really doesn't pay to be seen as an "apostate" in Islam, at least in most places at this time.
In general when you're talking about a group of a billion people you should avoid generalisations, especially if you also need to say that you don't know what you're talking about.
As to the view on apostasy: https://islamqa.info/en/20327
(∀ god) (god == God)
which is trivially satisfied if there are no gods. Over-dry humor, I know.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14088376 and marked it off-topic.
I haven't been this disappointed reading something in a while.
Well, the super Orthodox Jews have a solution. Yes, you should make a good faith effort to eliminate all of the hamets in your house, but you can exploit a loophole! Hamets in your house, but not owned by you, are OK, so rabbis in these groups have a list of non-Jews willing to buy all remaining hamets in your house for $1.00 (or other small amount). They then own them and you are in the clear. There is a special term for these people, but I don't remember it.
But what if you later (after Passover) find a box of crackers you missed and you actually want them? No problem because the loophole has a loophole. The buyers don't actually pay you the $1.00, they just pay you a penny as a down payment. As part of their service, they then deliberately don't pay you any more, default on the contract, and, the day Passover, the box of crackers are actually yours again.
if however someone had something valuable, like a bottle of whiskey, then they sell it.
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