Meh. I'm pretty ambivalent about voluntary restrictions like robots.txt. As far as I'm concerned it's mostly useful as a way for site operators to document endless dynamic content or requests that are prohibitively expensive (but not so much that they restrict access).
I figure if it's on the web and a human can read it, my computer ought to be able to read it too.
A robots.txt file is not any sort of license (anti-license?). It's existence has no bearing on the question of if the IA should be allowed to do what it does. It is only intended to provide helpful information to web crawllers.
Well yes, the whole point of robots.txt is that it's impolite to refuse to follow it, and doing so and getting caught might get you banned from the site.
That's a really good point. I'm not a fan of Internet Archive ignoring robots.txt, but if I'm really unhappy about it I can block their robot in Apache using .htaccess rules (as long as they continue using archive.org_bot as their user agent).
How is this any different from a human doing the same? The internet is meant to be open, it's free information after all. If you don't like it put your stuff behind a login
I see it as a subtle difference of automation and scale, plus the fact that the Internet Archive is not just saving these copies, but also making them available.
Imagine standing on the public road and taking a picture of your neighbor's home (or face) for your own use. Is that the same as a large company taking pictures of all homes (or faces) of the world, and making them available to the entire world, forever?
What about domains that have been sharked ? Does controlling robots.txt now give me the right to suppress all content ever originating from that domain, for as long as I control robots.txt?
Internet archive is right to spider the site, but defer showing. Collection != dissemenation.
The IA isn't synthesizing, selling, cross referencing or afaict doing anything nefarious with the data.
You are literally picking on the last org on the internet that needs to get picked on.
> You are literally picking on the last org on the internet that needs to get picked on.
True but at the same time I do understand those who generally want others to abide by their Robots.txt. INAL, but ideally I would love to see the IA having the right to ignore Robots.txt (however, if some one wants to opt out of the IA they should be given the option) while others shouldn't be allowed to do so.
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 32.3 ms ] threadI figure if it's on the web and a human can read it, my computer ought to be able to read it too.
* http://www.robotstxt.org/norobots-rfc.txt
Imagine standing on the public road and taking a picture of your neighbor's home (or face) for your own use. Is that the same as a large company taking pictures of all homes (or faces) of the world, and making them available to the entire world, forever?
What about domains that have been sharked ? Does controlling robots.txt now give me the right to suppress all content ever originating from that domain, for as long as I control robots.txt?
Internet archive is right to spider the site, but defer showing. Collection != dissemenation.
The IA isn't synthesizing, selling, cross referencing or afaict doing anything nefarious with the data.
You are literally picking on the last org on the internet that needs to get picked on.
True but at the same time I do understand those who generally want others to abide by their Robots.txt. INAL, but ideally I would love to see the IA having the right to ignore Robots.txt (however, if some one wants to opt out of the IA they should be given the option) while others shouldn't be allowed to do so.