Ask HN: When are you no longer called a "startup"?

2 points by justinchen ↗ HN
X number of years? Profitable? Just curious when people decide to stop calling themselves a "startup" and say they're just a "business" or "small business".

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Sometimes I get stuck trying to decide how to introduce myself or explain what I do. I feel like after being in business for 4 years and being profitable, startup isn't the right word. I've been resorting to something along the lines of "running online businesses" since "entrepreneur" seems to vague.
Great question. It seems to be the media tends to label dotcoms a "startup" regardless of the the size of their user base or revenues.

According to the US Small Business Association, it varies depending upon the industry. Here's what they have on Service industries (though I realize many web businesses aren't really service businesses):

> Most common: $7 million > Computer programming, data processing and systems design: $25 million > Engineering and architectural services and a few other industries have different size standards. > The highest annual-receipts size standard in any service industry: $35.5 million > Research and development and environmental remediation services: the only service industries with size standards stated in number of employees

http://www.sba.gov/contractingopportunities/officials/size/s...

When your no longer searching for a business model and your done with the customer discovery and validation process.
I saw a good answer here a while back: You're no longer a startup when the supplies cupboard is locked.
It's like saying "grownup".

There is no hard-and-fast rule or time.

IMO, there is some factor or ratio to where you are now vs. where you want to get to and a matter of risk and acceleration involved in doing so.

EG: if you're selling website templates and making $100K/year and want to make $250K/year and can do so mostly through basic growth with minimal risk, you're not a "startup".

If you want to get to $25M/year and you're going to take some huge risks and leaps of faith to do so at a rapid pace, you are a startup.