This is definitely a cause worth fighting for, but something that I've noticed is that nobody cares about these internet issues unless a major corporation's profits are threatened. The media was largely silent about NSA spying and as a result there was no organized movement against it. People said this was due to privacy being too abstract of a concept for people to care, but I fail to see how the issue of ISP's charging internet companies not to throttle them is any less abstract for the average person. There's something else at play here.
More people cared about NSA spying than net neutrality. But mass media and major corporations have a strong vested interest in net neutrality. So they amplify the people by covering it with news stories, engaging in "blackouts," etc. For Google, facebook, netflix etc. this isn't a philosophical or moral issue. They don't want Verizon and comcast shaving their profit margin down.
It's a fight between two groups of companies, for the most part.
Practically, there is little chance ISPs actually turn the internet into a walled garden. But they could skim off netflix and google.
Also, you might be in a "tech bubble." Net neutrality is a huge issue for people involved in tech (by business or hobby). Most of my friends outside that bubble don't really understand the issue at all.
Everyone who works in an industry that delivers content via the web should be very concerned. This gives the larger established players the ability to crush any upstarts simply by throwing money at the problem.
Well sure, they're protecting their interests. It could also mean customers have been calling them to complain and they want them to stop (calls cost money).
It means they know they started to lose the obscurity advantage, and since now they are exposed, they resort to misleading the public, to reduce the impact.
Second part of their tactic is to say that Net Neutrality should be protected by the Congress, where they hope to have enough leverage to pass fake NN laws that don't protect anything, while pretending they support NN.
So if that happens, public will have to put a lot of pressure on lawmakers to prevent that outcome.
Oh finally John Oliver has picked up a topic that is actually relevant to my interest. I watched every episode of his show under Obama. But since he turned his show into an endless Trump Hatefest it is just unbearable to stay through all his negativity. Really unfortunate that he turned that great format into one based on one-sided angry know-it-all rants.
Not sure why you're getting so many down votes, but I completely agree with you. Some of his shows were incredible a few years back, two that come to mind: Televangelists[1] and Debt Buyers[2].
Likely because it's tangential to the primary focus of the submission without really providing relevance, is largely based on personal opinion, and touches on incendiary political topics in a way that doesn't really further the discussion.
It's also slightly ironic that the complaint was that John Oliver makes the issue about Trump too much, and then the commenter introduces trump into this discussion. "It's nice that he's not bashing Trump finally. Now let's take this reprieve and specifically call that out so we can talk more about Trump." While likely not the intention of the GP, that's what it ends up being in practice if it's not curbed.
Yes, that was a personal perception/comment. And I am not even arguing that he is this time moving away from blaming it all on Trump. Just that it is this one of the few occasions I agree with the problem premise and that this is a welcome change from the rest of his feeding-the-hate stories.
Here's what I wrote (note it will not keep line breaks):
> The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules. ISPs are fundamentally different from internet website providers like Google and Facebook. A consumer can choose not to use Google, but there is no way to opt out of using an ISP or allowing the ISP to see your private internet history. ISPs serve the same purpose as roadways, water pipes, and electricity wires. We do not want roads spying on where we drive or the electric company spying on which appliances we use at which times. We must also prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the speed of competitors' websites. We do not want roads charging different amounts for different makes of cars or electric companies charging different amounts to use one brand of dishwasher versus another brand. Net neutrality is good for human rights, privacy, consumers, and competition. Please DO NOT REPEAL net neutrality.
Net neutrality is essential to equal access to information. We should all have the same access to information on the web, regardless of who our provider is, where we live, or who is competing with our current provider. Access to information is critical and should never be compromised in the name of big business. KEEP NET NEUTRALITY UNDER TITLE II.
Net neutrality is essential to equal access to information. We should all have the same access to information on the web, regardless of who our provider is, where we live, or who is competing with our current provider. Access to information is critical and should never be compromised in the name of big business. KEEP NET NEUTRALITY UNDER TITLE II.
Typical, people in power help their wealthy friends make more money. Off our backs. I'm sure the platinum package will be trouble free for those who can afford it
The constitution didn't say for the powerful. Just because you have money and power doesn't mean you can control other peoples lives, that's not a free society. Get your greedy asses out of the internet. You didn't have anything to do with creating the internet, so stay the fuck out, it's working fine the way it is.
I think this is probably an organic result of confused people who WANT to comment on the FCC site but ended up here by mistake. If you type "gofccyourself" into google, the top three results are
(1) a product hunt page with a John Oliver video but no above-the-fold link to the FCC or to http://gofccyourself.com.
(3) this Hacker News thread (starting at grandparent post), labeled in google as "Clickable link : http://gofccyourself.com | Hacker News".
So a random internet user looking for a place to comment and knowing the term "gofccyourself" easily ends up here, at a page with the "Hacker News" banner, a one sentence "Clickable Link : http://gofccyourself.com ", and then a comment box. Below is the comment thread following full of new users' comments about net neutrality. Some visitors assume this IS the FCC comment site.
So when you go through the funnels of : type "gofccyourself" into address bar or search box --> get to third search result --> misunderstand this thread as the FCC public comment venue --> bother to register and comment, then you get the steady stream of comments here from newly registered accounts.
That is a possibility but it seems unlikely given the varying ages of the accounts. gofccyourself wouldn't even be a thing until a day or two ago, and some of the accounts are over a month old (with no comments until now)
Net neutrality is 21st century free speech and MUST, as such, be protected. Retain Title 2 and maintain net neutrality. Big Business must not be allowed to choke off a level playing field for the free exchange of ideas.
FCC Please retain Title 2 protection, uphold net neutrality. You work for us now, Pai, not for Verizon. We the people need full, fair access and yes--regulated.
ISPs should be like utilities; regulated, not unfettered. Leaving ISP control entirely to mega companies such as your former boss, Pai, will give them undue influence and strip we regular folks of our rights to equal and fair net access. Come on--you know this is true.
The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules. ISPs are fundamentally different from internet website providers like Google and Facebook. A consumer can choose not to use Google, but there is no way to opt out of using an ISP or allowing the ISP to see your private internet history. ISPs serve the same purpose as roadways, water pipes, and electricity wires. We do not want roads spying on where we drive or the electric company spying on which appliances we use at which times. We must also prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the speed of competitors' websites. We do not want roads charging different amounts for different makes of cars or electric companies charging different amounts to use one brand of dishwasher versus another brand. Net neutrality is good for human rights, privacy, consumers, and competition. Please DO NOT REPEAL net neutrality.
Net Neutrality should have a formidable set of laws and rules that abide for an equal and level footed playing field on the internet. Removing such set laws would be a problematic. Let tittle two remain in effect
Net neutrality is the center for a free and equal internet our right to be free must and should be untouched for the sake of the many benefits net neutrality provides.
It is critically important that net neutrality continues as it is. We do not want the ISPs switching speeds or preventing access to competitor's sites. Businesses could go bust if their websites are blocked. Do not give ISPs the opportunity to screw their customers.
As an American Who is proud of all of the achievements given to the world by American independence and ingenuity, I strongly support the current system keeping the Internet's free, American values i.e. - robust net neutrality rules under title II control of ISPs.
I already pay a large amount for my DirecTV and my Spectrum Internet connection. Letting the big cable companies have their way and be allowed to over charge customers for slower internet speeds is not only unfair, it falls into the category of Citizens United in gross inequality.
DO NOT LET NET-NUTRALITY GO TO THE WAY-SIDE. YOU MUST NOT, YOU SHOULD NOT, YOU CAN NOT LET BIG COMPANIES CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY. REJECT AJIT PAI!
what I want is get what I pay for. If the isp say they will sell me 1Gbps I expect to get close to that [98%], any were in the USA.
The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules use the most restive set of rules [tilde two] on the isp the easiest for the FCC to enforce, to protect the people not isp.
prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the volume I get of competitors' websites.
THE FCC should encouraged COOPs to be established for compensation
The FCC needs to keep net neutrality under Title II, the United States needs to maintain a robust internet...please, I really can't get through the next 4 years with out it
The internet is one of the greatest inventions to which we still have yet to see it's full potential harness. In step, The Fools who wish to control the world's repository of shared knowledge by trying to Repeal net neutrality,and there by allowing the few to control the many. Let me put it in terms the fools should under stand, a language their are familiar with "I'll give you my "net neutrality" when you pry it from my cold, dead hands".
The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules. ISPs are fundamentally different from internet website providers like Google and Facebook. A consumer can choose not to use Google, but there is no way to opt out of using an ISP or allowing the ISP to see your private internet history. ISPs serve the same purpose as roadways, water pipes, and electricity wires. We do not want roads spying on where we drive or the electric company spying on which appliances we use at which times. We must also prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the speed of competitors' websites. We do not want roads charging different amounts for different makes of cars or electric companies charging different amounts to use one brand of dishwasher versus another brand. Net neutrality is good for human rights, privacy, consumers, and competition. Please DO NOT REPEAL net neutrality.
The internet is one of the greatest inventions to which we still have yet to see it's full potential harness. In step, The Fools who wish to control the world's repository of shared knowledge by trying to Repeal net neutrality,and there by allowing the few to control the many. Let me put it in terms the fools should under stand, a language their are familiar with "I'll give you my "net neutrality" when you pry it from my cold, dead hands".
The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules. ISPs are fundamentally different from internet website providers like Google and Facebook. A consumer can choose not to use Google, but there is no way to opt out of using an ISP or allowing the ISP to see your private internet history. ISPs serve the same purpose as roadways, water pipes, and electricity wires. We do not want roads spying on where we drive or the electric company spying on which appliances we use at which times. We must also prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the speed of competitors' websites. We do not want roads charging different amounts for different makes of cars or electric companies charging different amounts to use one brand of dishwasher versus another brand. Net neutrality is good for human rights, privacy, consumers, and competition. Please DO NOT REPEAL net neutrality.
The internet should be open to all users. It should not be a way to shut out the people and small organizations in promotion of corporate and right wing propaganda.
Net Neutrality allows for equal access to the bandwidth of sites and information currently available. An open and more so fair marketplace should preclude loopholes that could lead to companies bullying their way into people's homes by purposely slowing down internet speed to view competitors' content. Please keep Title 2 alive and well and thriving with amendments where necessary to provide opportunities for small internet providers to grow and flourish. Thank you
Please uphold Title II of the Net Neutrality clause as it allows for open and more so fair access to internet content of someone's choice without the concern of internet providers resorting to bullying practices by slowing down internet speed on competitors. Instead of doing away with Title II. let us amend and expand where necessary so that both corporate giants and relative newcomers have the possibility to grow and thrive in the digital realm and which allows customers to retain a choice in their individual choices without fear of interference by entities with bigger pockets and thus clout. Thank you!
I also support the FCC Title 2 rules for net neutrality. There is no way these corporations will do the right thing without gov't oversight. Given an opportunity to put profits before people they have ALWAYS chosen profit.
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 187 ms ] threadIt's a fight between two groups of companies, for the most part.
Practically, there is little chance ISPs actually turn the internet into a walled garden. But they could skim off netflix and google.
Also, you might be in a "tech bubble." Net neutrality is a huge issue for people involved in tech (by business or hobby). Most of my friends outside that bubble don't really understand the issue at all.
The have a strong interest against net neutrality. Anything that makes competition harder is good for them.
Major corporations like Comcast, and mass media like the NBCUniversal division of Comcast certainly have a vested interest in the opposite direction.
That's basically every site and service?
https://twitter.com/comcast/status/857357059196452865
(Saw this as an ad in the mobile app.)
Does that mean they're actually worried?
Second part of their tactic is to say that Net Neutrality should be protected by the Congress, where they hope to have enough leverage to pass fake NN laws that don't protect anything, while pretending they support NN.
So if that happens, public will have to put a lot of pressure on lawmakers to prevent that outcome.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUAntt1z2c
It's also slightly ironic that the complaint was that John Oliver makes the issue about Trump too much, and then the commenter introduces trump into this discussion. "It's nice that he's not bashing Trump finally. Now let's take this reprieve and specifically call that out so we can talk more about Trump." While likely not the intention of the GP, that's what it ends up being in practice if it's not curbed.
Here's what I wrote (note it will not keep line breaks):
> The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules. ISPs are fundamentally different from internet website providers like Google and Facebook. A consumer can choose not to use Google, but there is no way to opt out of using an ISP or allowing the ISP to see your private internet history. ISPs serve the same purpose as roadways, water pipes, and electricity wires. We do not want roads spying on where we drive or the electric company spying on which appliances we use at which times. We must also prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the speed of competitors' websites. We do not want roads charging different amounts for different makes of cars or electric companies charging different amounts to use one brand of dishwasher versus another brand. Net neutrality is good for human rights, privacy, consumers, and competition. Please DO NOT REPEAL net neutrality.
Thank you, Laura Goldstein
(1) a product hunt page with a John Oliver video but no above-the-fold link to the FCC or to http://gofccyourself.com.
(2) the confusing FCC "proceedings" page https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/proceedings?q=name:((17-108)) where it is not obvious how to comment
(3) this Hacker News thread (starting at grandparent post), labeled in google as "Clickable link : http://gofccyourself.com | Hacker News".
So a random internet user looking for a place to comment and knowing the term "gofccyourself" easily ends up here, at a page with the "Hacker News" banner, a one sentence "Clickable Link : http://gofccyourself.com ", and then a comment box. Below is the comment thread following full of new users' comments about net neutrality. Some visitors assume this IS the FCC comment site.
So when you go through the funnels of : type "gofccyourself" into address bar or search box --> get to third search result --> misunderstand this thread as the FCC public comment venue --> bother to register and comment, then you get the steady stream of comments here from newly registered accounts.
I can't delete my comment anymore, so I can't do anything to stop the comments.
DO NOT LET NET-NUTRALITY GO TO THE WAY-SIDE. YOU MUST NOT, YOU SHOULD NOT, YOU CAN NOT LET BIG COMPANIES CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY. REJECT AJIT PAI!
The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules use the most restive set of rules [tilde two] on the isp the easiest for the FCC to enforce, to protect the people not isp.
prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the volume I get of competitors' websites.
THE FCC should encouraged COOPs to be established for compensation
If you want to submit a comment to the FCC, click on http://gofccyourself.com. In the center of the page under the heading "Proceedings" it says
17-108 Restoring Internet Freedom +New Filing/+Express
Click on the link labeled "+Express" and file your comment there.
The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules. ISPs are fundamentally different from internet website providers like Google and Facebook. A consumer can choose not to use Google, but there is no way to opt out of using an ISP or allowing the ISP to see your private internet history. ISPs serve the same purpose as roadways, water pipes, and electricity wires. We do not want roads spying on where we drive or the electric company spying on which appliances we use at which times. We must also prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the speed of competitors' websites. We do not want roads charging different amounts for different makes of cars or electric companies charging different amounts to use one brand of dishwasher versus another brand. Net neutrality is good for human rights, privacy, consumers, and competition. Please DO NOT REPEAL net neutrality.
The FCC should KEEP net neutrality rules. ISPs are fundamentally different from internet website providers like Google and Facebook. A consumer can choose not to use Google, but there is no way to opt out of using an ISP or allowing the ISP to see your private internet history. ISPs serve the same purpose as roadways, water pipes, and electricity wires. We do not want roads spying on where we drive or the electric company spying on which appliances we use at which times. We must also prevent ISPs from discriminating and charging different amounts to access different websites or throttling the speed of competitors' websites. We do not want roads charging different amounts for different makes of cars or electric companies charging different amounts to use one brand of dishwasher versus another brand. Net neutrality is good for human rights, privacy, consumers, and competition. Please DO NOT REPEAL net neutrality.
Free and unbridled and equal access for all
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This one is obvious--don't give in on net neutrality! Please.