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this phenonomen is not limited to bleecker st. CRE prices are pretty high right now, especially in most parts of manhattan.

landlords are happy to let leases expire, jack up the rent and look for the next 10 yr tenant. usually a 2-3 % annual escalation is added to the lease.

Maybe this is how 1980s NYC will make a comeback.
What was that?
When there wasn't a Duane Reade or Citibank on every corner! :)
Duane Reade, an OK drug store, but brilliant real estate investment company.
Interesting - I didn't know they held their own real estate
I've read that the endless bank branches are partly a result of regulations that incentivize banks to put branches in low income neighborhoods. Because of some statistical anomalies, parts of midtown and downtown Manhattan are considered low income neighborhoods.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/05/18/never-mind-fe...

(originally printed in the WSJ)

That may be part of it. (Don't know.) But generally speaking I observe that both bank branches and mobile phone stores seem to occupy vast stretches of real estate that seem to be out of all proportion to what the businesses can rationally make effective use of. But I guess it's all part of projecting a bigger is better image.

The drug chains at least also functionally serve as convenience stores as well and, in my experience, they do get quite a bit of foot traffic. I actually find it a bit inconvenient when traveling internationally that this sort of store doesn't really exist--with the somewhat exception of the UK.

What's CRE prices?

Edit: I guess you meant Commercial Real Estate?

San Francisco commercial corridors do not allow chain retailers as a measure to preserve neigboorhood character. As a side effect this somewhat keeps the rent down. One of the few examples where over regulating a market kind of works well..
Are there challenges to this from landlords feeling like their opportunities are limited? I like the idea but there's always a case against this sort of thing, unfortunately.
It depends. Some large commercial landlords in UK such as owners of Carnaby St and Marylebone High St avoid chains on purpose. Sure it cuts into their revenue in the short term, but in the long term it helps to preserve the unique character of the area and thus boosts value.
A broken clock is right twice a day.

Chipotle wanted to open a restaurant in the Lower Haight right next to the MUNI station; it got voted down, and it was no particular loss to me since the Mexican restaurants around there were far better anyway, but that location was empty when I moved there and only now, 6 years after the original business closed is it being torn down to build apartments.

And I don't think anyone is claiming commercial rents in SF are cheap; the best you could say is "maybe it would be worse if we removed this one rule and kept all the others"

New York has always been expensive, but retailers over indexing on physical locations both on Bleecker and uptown on Madison and Fifth Avenues took prices to truly unsustainable levels.

I'm looking forward to a cool off in the CRE space and a slightly smaller one in the residential space.

Call it the Amazon effect - who wants to go to SOHO to buy clothes when you can do it online! :)

Edit: adding quote from the original article -

> At a time when shoppers are buying online and fashion brands across the industry are hurting, “the challenging business environment makes it less interesting to do vanity locations,”

Same phenomena seems to be happening to prime retail locations globally - take a drive down Oxford St in Sydney for example. Interested in what the solution is to clear the market on all this CRE, you can see a lot of startup/coworking spaces taking advantage of the vacancies in these initial stages.

I feel like you're mischaracterizing the phenomenon, at least when it comes to NYC.

This is not a product of falling demand - but rather rising prices, and landowners willing to endure extensive vacancies to prevent the market price from dropping.

Increased interest in the area raised prices past the point of affordability for businesses. In a normal market this would result in price drops until landlords can find renters.

What we are seeing instead is a concerted effort to maintain pricing through willingness to let storefront sit empty. Instead of lowering rents to attract tenants, landlords are simply tolerating vacancies.

> "who wants to go to SOHO to buy clothes when you can do it online!"

Bleecker St was home to high end fashion boutiques - a segment of retail that is still doing well in brick and mortar, and more resistant than other retail niches to the effects of ecommerce. The idea that everyone went online instead I don't think holds water.

Importantly also, even if clothiers are increasingly online, other types of retail businesses (food? Fitness?) would step in to fill these spaces. This hasn't happened.

>"you can see a lot of startup/coworking spaces taking advantage of the vacancies in these initial stages."

This is precisely what isn't happening. Rents are too high for broad categories of businesses (including coworking spaces) - but rather than lower rents and get these spaces rented, landlords are holding firm instead.

I was actually just paraphrasing the article when it came to falling demand (though I share the same view):

> At a time when shoppers are buying online and fashion brands across the industry are hurting, “the challenging business environment makes it less interesting to do vanity locations,”

I think it would be folly to think that there's a static or growing level of demand in physical retail relative to online shopping - even at the high end.

I don't reasonably doubt that someone will be able to turn a profit with the increased rents, or that landlords don't want to drop the rent for a multitude of reasons (financing requirements included) but my point is that we're in a period where the sectors which typically could afford the high rents in places like these now can't.

And my statement holds just as much for NYC as it does for other cities in the world - I was simply providing the Australian example as support. Remember when Virgin could afford renting half of Union Square to sell physical music? After it was empty for a while (much like Bleecker St) the DR and banks stepped in with a business which could afford the rent.

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> Call it the Amazon effect - who wants to go to SOHO to buy clothes when you can do it online! :)

That's not the effect that's happening here. In fact, a number of brands that have built their reputations online have recently (in the last few years) opened up brick-and-mortar stores in SoHo, and done quite well. Warby Parker and Birchbox are two examples.

The problem, as the sibling comment notes, isn't that people don't want to go to brick-and-mortar stores when they can buy clothing online. The problem is rather specific to New York (and particularly Manhattan) real estate, which is why we have the paradox that brick-and-mortar stores along some streets are closing and staying vacant, while their competitors are opening up new (successful) stores literally two blocks away.

Interested in makes you think these phenomena are particular to CRE in the city?
> Call it the Amazon effect - who wants to go to SOHO to buy clothes when you can do it online! :)

That might be true for some male demographics, but clothing is still very much a try-and-buy experience for everyone else. People who drop several hundred to thousands for an outfit aren't going to do it online anywhere near as often as in person at a boutique.

As others have noted, the demand is still there, but rents have gone so insanely high that even these rarefied boutiques can't hack it.

The rent will, eventually, correct itself. A lot of rich people are going to lose money in real-estate and they deserve to. Hopefully more normal business can move back in-- and Magnolia Cupcakes were nothing to write home about anyway, they were just freaking cupcakes for christs sake.

> People who drop several hundred to thousands for an outfit aren't going to do it online anywhere near as often as in person at a boutique.

Plenty of people pay hundreds or thousands of dollars online for single items, largely because of the rise of free returns which make it risk-free to try the item on.

Not to say everyone prefers online shopping - my wife certainly doesn't, but I would want to see some actual stats saying high end shoppers prefer retail at a greater rate than low end shoppers; I don't expect the correlation to price point to be as strong as to whether they have free return shipping :)

Some lucky landlords are likely trapped.

When the rent went up 6-10 fold, they could refinance and borrow against the new inflated equity to secure more investments. Renting out at a substantially lower value would negatively impact this financing.

It's a better deal for them to sit empty at a potential rent of 35K/mo than it is to lower the rent and have to repay/refinance loans.

Are you sure that's how CRE lending works? It's definitely not how residential investment loans work. There's no mechanism for a lender to periodically check your leases and decide that they're going to call your loan because you're charging less. And if there was, why wouldn't they be terrified that you're charging $0?
I've heard a similar story in Ireland, when the bank had already repossessed a property. If they rented it out, they would have to mark down the asset value on their books. If they left it vacant, well, some vacancy rate is expected, so keep marking it to the last price it rented for.
This was the explanation given to me by a top analyst from a CRE firm.

There can also be tax considerations that offset gains from other properties, further reducing the incentive to rent out.

It's not about being stuck. If there's a reasonable chance to get multiples of what you can get immediately it's worth it to wait. Commercial real estate leases are generally ten years. Look at the math:

Lease ends Dec. 30, 2016 -> Immediately rent out for $10k/month to a mom and pop -> By Dec 30, 2024 total rent paid = $960,000

vs

Lease ends Dec. 30, 2016 -> Wait two years for an international fashion label that wants a vanity store -> rent out at $35k/month -> By Dec 30, 2024 total rent paid = $2,520,000

Some municipalities have enacted a "blight tax" as an incentive to keep property owners from letting their buildings physically decay, maybe something similar regarding vacant property could be enacted to discourage the "waiting game" described in the article?
I wonder if that might be considered a crime against capital, in the sense of 'conspiring to attack value of property'?

Clearly this is a stage beyond 'rich people buying up lots of home properties to keep vacant as an investment while many go homeless'. Now it's commercial properties being treated as this sort of 'crystallized value' and kept in stasis. I expect this to continue. Unused pristine property in key locations ought to hold more value than using it for sub-optimal purposes (I'm voicing the view of capital here, I don't personally hold to this belief)

If crimes against capital become a thing, could they merit the death penalty? Then a human daring to cross accumulations of capital far beyond what any human's existence could represent, could be put to death for committing a capital capital crime :)

Good lord
Leftists will also defend keeping vacant lots vacant, due to the possibility that their development would cause gentrification, or that they should be banked for some unspecified future date when the money is found to build public housing.

It seems that both the most cynical capitalists and the most bleeding-heart leftists value abandonment above all other uses of urban property, and the world is increasingly split between them. The future is not looking good.

You only typed all that so you could make the capital capital crime quip didn't you?
I own an apartment in the same few blocks that is featured in the article. And I have lived in NYC for many years (In fact I know the stores from 1990s that are written with forlorn). Yes that stretch of Bleecker had gone fancy and now empty. But there are stores around Bleecker that are from Bob Dylan days that still thrive. Mamoun's Falafel, Bleecker Street Pizza, Porto Rico Coffee etc. Even the newer food stalls are very affordable and you can get a meal for $8 (Turkiss, Thelawala, etc). Some of the leather shops from early 80s are still around. If someone from 1980s were teleported to today's Bleecker Street, they still have stores they used to go to. An d if I were to bet, they would acknowledge that Bleecker was in a state of flux even then. Old anchoring, but making way for the new, but largely still remaining "Bleecker".
> If someone from 1980s were teleported to today's Bleecker Street

People from 1980s are still alive. They can take the subway, they don't need teleportation. ;)

No, they wouldn't take the subway...everyone knows that to go back to the 80s, or to arrive from the 80s involves a pimped out DeLorean car, and a creepy friend-like association with a mad scientist. ;-)
People who were in NYC in the 80s still don't take the subway. They drive everywhere.
My parents don't mind taking the subway these days. Back then they'd drive, though, for sure. My dad also had a bike back then, still the fastest way to get around Brooklyn...

EDIT: my coworker, who lived in the city in the 80s, does in fact take the subway, but only because it's hard to hail a taxi out in Queens.

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Not to sure how to edit my parent post, but I should have been clearer on the teleportation snark-bomb :)

I meant if one had last visited Bleecker in 1980s and never visited it again until today, then....

I took that as obvious. I'm not sure if others were just joking or didn't get that.
Porto Rico Coffee is an awesome spot. I actually go there every week or two to get fresh coffee. Awesome place and its amazing that you can get great coffee beans for the same amount, or less than you could get some of the stuff that's in grocery stores.
What this truly shows is that landlords have too much money. They are able to sit on their non performing asset keeping prices inflated. Call me a socialist but I think this shows that the effective real estate tax rate is too low for some commercial properties.
Are they also able to write them off as a liability?
Many commercial RE contracts require the rents to be paid for set periods regardless of whether the lessee still occupies the site.
Even assuming the spaces are still under lease and the entity that signed the lease still exists, the lease often has a sales percentage built in. An empty site isn't good for anybody.
They're paying the opportunity cost in lost rent, and there are numerous legal liabilities and regulations they have as a property owner in the city. It can't go on forever, even with low tax rates.
I don't think this is that landlords have too much money.

Commercial leases are typically quite long; 10 years is quoted in the article.

Landlords don't want to be locked into a price for 10 years that could be a momentary downturn.

When you look at it at these time horizons, being vacant for 1 year and renting for your asking price is as good as giving someone a 10% discount to start a lease today.

I do think there should be a blight tax though to encourage real estate developers to find a short term use for the space.

There are plenty of business in NYC that would be very happy to have an affordable lease on that street for even 6 months.

Only big slow companies want long leases, and only big companies can afford the bloated rent. I don't agree that the root issues is the duration of the lease.

Right, but when you say affordable, you probably mean something like a 50%+ discount, which is probably going to be more hassle than it is worth at the moment.

Not that price anchoring isn't real, and landlords are often shitty, but I doubt there are plenty of businesses interested in a short term lease for a 10% discount.

"Arleen Bowman Boutique" had a 10 year lease and wasn't exactly a big business, so I don't think that big businesses are the only ones who want long leases; I think your comment says more about the desirability of the real estate that people will deal with imperfect conditions to get a deep discount.

Emperically, a friend's bag company rented space in the LES for 1 month last December, and broke even on sales. This company is online only, and they justified the storefront as a marketing opertunity.

The space cost them $18k for the month (which is low, considering the area), and the only reason they got that price is because a big company backed out on their pop-up store deal.

I think that's great; I think we should be incentivizing that sort of thing, but I'm sure you can imagine real estate companies are probably not angling to work on 18k deals that have only a marginal impact and distract them from trying to find someone who wants a 10 year multi-million dollar lease.

Not because they have too much money, but because these tiny deals are probably a worse deal for them.

The policy responses for "landlords have too much money" and "landlords are acting rationally by leaving their lots vacant" are quite different.

Hence the rise of the pop up store.

99 cent stores, beauty supply stores, and Halloween supply stores work this way too - easy move in/out, generic and cheap merchandise used by a wide audience that doesn't want to buy online, and so they can take advantage of short-term leases.

I recently took a staycation in NYC, and immediately saw what this article referenced.

Living so close to NYC all my life, growing up I'd often visit the Village; and Bleecker street was always on the list of destinations without hesitation. Admittedly, this was decades ago. But, when i visited the Village earlier this year, it was quite sad. Bleecker and other (normally more active) streets were so desolate, and their buzzy mixture of bohemia and eccentric stylishness was lacking. I felt like i was visiting a Disney-ified version of some way-past-its-prime neighborhood. Sometimes it feels like things have too much shine, and not enough real, earthy truth.

I got a chance to hang out with Immortal Technique some 5 or 6 years ago (very political, well known rapper). That night we all talked a lot about wealth inequality, and how it impacts working people int he New York region. He referred to New York City post-Giuliani as the "Disneylandification of New York", as the continuing influx of Wall Street capital and increasing wealth inequality sanitized and built up manhattan and surrounding land at the expense of people nearby. How it changed the relationships between people and local communities, and changed the relationship between police and those communities.

I've always thought that was a really great way to phrase it. Its funny, but also works on a surprisingly large number of levels, rather intuitively.

Great points here! When you stated "post-Giuliani" it reminded me (I had so forgotten!) that it was during latter parts of his administration - and then thereafter - when a bunch of the Disney-ification happened! And, definitely the phrase "Disneylandification of New York" so perfectly captures the sentiment!
The Disneylandification is very frequently applied to the Times Square area in particular. But it's complicated. Gentrification and, often, homogenization have their downsides. But 42nd Street, Bryant Park, etc. in the 1970s/80s were really not all that great.
they call it "Mallhattan"! :)
From the article:

>"Indeed, over the past year, Mr. Sietsema, the senior critic at Eater NY, has watched with mild schadenfreude but greater alarm as his neighborhood has undergone yet another transformation from a famed retail corridor whose commercial rents and exclusivity rivaled Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills, Calif"

I'm not fan of what happened to Bleecker Street but I find it amusing that an employee of Eater which promotes conspicuous consumption in the food arena(celebrity chefs, "where to eat now", etc) has "schadenfreude" for conspicuous consumption in the high-end retail fashion world. There's a slight bit of hypocrisy in that. Trendy restaurants and trendy fashion boutiques seem to come to neighborhoods in lockstep. Bridge and tunnel crowds usually come into the neighborhood to both shop and eat. The metamorphosis of Bleecker Street seemed to begin with Magnolia Bakery and cupcakes in the early 2000s as mentioned in the article. And Eater has certainly done its part over the years in promoting the cult of Magnolia Bakery including pieces by Mr. Sietsema himself.[1]

For some reason foodie culture seems to view its version of rampant consumerism as being a more noble pursuit.

Also see the following from Eater:

https://ny.eater.com/2017/5/18/15504272/west-village-girls-n...

https://ny.eater.com/2017/5/25/15528706/greenwich-steakhouse...

https://ny.eater.com/2016/7/14/12193232/20-years-of-magnolia...

[1] https://ny.eater.com/2016/7/14/12189132/magnolia-and-me

Sietsema deserves a bit of a pass here. His Magnolia piece is mostly damning and he admits some guilt in liking the pudding.

More importantly, he's is one of the biggest champions of non-conspicuous food consumption in the New York food scene.

He contributed 800 words and 4 large pictures of food porn as publicity for Magnolia Bakery. I would hardly call that a "damning" action. He's done his share to promote them more than once over the years as well.[1]

Here is a list of his Eater articles fetishizing things like donuts, Croque Monsieurs and porridge as well as articles with titles such as "How to eat like Anothony Bourdain, "How to do a Pho Tour" and "Where to get the Best Dim Sum."[2]

Can you explain why you don't believe such articles promote conspicuous consumption?

[1] https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/01/28/cops-love-magnolia-b...

[2] https://ny.eater.com/authors/robert-sietsema

hey, a guy's gotta eat.
Agreed :)

And that's the difference between ordering a bowl of Pho and "Taking a Pho tour" or simply grabbing a slice of pizza from your corner joint instead of trying to "Eat like Anthony Bourdain"

I'll take it back. You're right.

It's just that mainstream NYC food criticism is so saturated with Eleven Madison Park, $200 steaks at 4 Charles and $24 dry-aged burgers that I graded Sietsema on a curve.

I live near this area but only since 2010 so don't have the same history many others do.

That being said, I've never really understood the area of the West Village west of Seventh. As far as high end fashion stores go, Meatpacking for awhile a bit of a reputation for this but really it seemed to me that if you wanted this kind of fashion, that was what SoHo was all about (on Prince and Spring streets primarily).

Could it be that fashion has simply moved there? Was SoHo as big for this 10, 20, 40 years ago as it is now? This I don't know.

The areas of Manhattan aren't static, this much I know. Over the years the commercial heart, now in Midtown, has been drifting north (we're talking over 200+ years).

Now this part of the West Village does have reasonable proximity to what was the Fashion District (above 23rd). Could it be that the end of that textile industry is responsible for the shift?

Come to think of it, the restaurant culture downtown has probably been drifting east. Like I compare what's in the West village and food-wise at least the East Village is so much better. The West Village seems far more of a sleepy residential neighbourhood now in comparison.

Also remember that Williamsburg just across the East River has boomed in recent years, probably as people get priced out of the East Village.

So maybe that's it: people are simply priced out of the West Village?

I knew an Israeli guy at work who told me about gentrification in Tel Aviv. There's apparently some popular neighbourhood that's dead now as it's super expensive and the rich who buy there don't live there so it's dead. That's just what he said.

I come from Perth, Western Australia and can tell you that the lively areas of the city 20+ years ago have really changed. Northbridge is still there and still seedy. But Subiaco, once a lively cafe strip at nightspot, is now pretty dead.

Gentrification seems to be a bit like algae. It thrives on the "oxygen" of what makes these areas popular to begin with but ends up starving everything else out then itself.

>Gentrification seems to be a bit like algae. It thrives on the "oxygen" of what makes these areas popular to begin with but ends up starving everything else out then itself.

Perfect description of Austin, TX today versus say 1965-1990.

> For many longtime Village residents, what the street is missing is not a cool factor but the essential mix of businesses that makes a neighborhood function.

These core local businesses unfortunately got priced out a long time ago.

A flaw in our system of real estate is that there doesn't seem to be a very good mechanism for rewarding the businesses that help increase the value of a neighbourhood. Businesses put in the sweat equity into creating a great business that draws people into the area and makes it fertile ground for other businesses and redevelopment, and their reward is that their rent spikes and they're forced out.

Yes. Supporting local businesses and non-chain brands is one of the best things one can do from a demand/user side of things.
This is kind of rewarded with long term leases; a business takes out a 10 year lease in a "cheap" neighborhood, does well, brings people to the area, they pocket profits on their cheap rent. When the lease comes up, and the landlord wants some of the businesses profit, is when you start seeing vacancies.

It's further compounded by sales intra-lease where the new buyer has modeled the rent once the current lease is up in order to justify the sales price.

I haven't thought this through particularly thoroughly but perhaps a land value tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax) somehow linked to business revenue? For example, if you're selling luxury goods in a rich neighborhood, your taxes are higher than a bodega in a rich neighborhood.
>I haven't thought this through particularly thoroughly but perhaps a land value tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax) somehow linked to business revenue? For example, if you're selling luxury goods in a rich neighborhood, your taxes are higher than a bodega in a rich neighborhood.

Having a tax linked to business revenue is contrary to the spirit of land value tax.

I live in the area. West Village is quickly becoming a ghost town. I can't believe these landlords can afford to sit on empty lots for months and years. Only well financed businesses can afford to move in, which feeds into the cycle of boring hyper expensive restaurants.

Also, landlords can't take all the blame since you can't have every business be a restaurant. Online shopping deserves some of the blame. And the shops that do exist are just glorified catalogs, the cost of which is probably part of the companies' marketing expense. Thus, only big name luxury retailers can afford to rent these spaces.

As for the article, I think they called it: high rent blight. Late stage gentrification. This is what happens when even the rich can't afford to be there. The neighborhood needs a reset.