Unfortunately, anyone who wants to fork over $5K for one of these gems has to consider how brittle Apple products have become. Who wants to spend that kind of scratch only to have it become a brick in a year.
I am not so sure I will buy another MacBook no matter what processor they put in it.
I just got back from the Apple Store. My 2013 MacBook pro is hard crashing, no logs being written. Most likely a hardware defect. They tried formatting and re-installing a fresh copy of OSX. It crashed during the re-install. They tried booting it up in a special diagnostic mode and it crashed in that mode, which should not have happened.
I bought this in December 2013 so its almost 3.5 years old. The minimum it would cost me to fix it is $475 which to me is too much to pay given the age of the machine and the cost of a new machine.
I contrast this with a Dell laptop I bought in 2001 that is still running today in 2017.
The Apple care insurance they sell can at most get you 3 years total coverage. This would not have helped me in this case.
I am going to explore other computer brands at this point.
Maybe downvotes are because of your comparison of a 2013 MBP to a 2001 Dell laptop?
My personal experience is seeing Dell, HP, Fujitsu and other brand laptops completely disintegrate in a 3-year timespan, with Apple hardware easily outliving them - hardware issues eventually appear, but overall condition, specially mechanical, is not even in the same league.
I was simply comparing what hardware experience I have had. I also have a 2005 acer laptop and a 2011 asus netbook that are still running fine today.
There is something to be said about warranties that you learn in engineering school. The time period they cover is always calculated such that the majority of faults across the majority of customers will not occur inside of the window they cover.
No mention (nor on macrumors) as to whether or not this means that the MBP would support >16GB of RAM (the previous claim, IIUC, is that Kaby Lake would handle this for the low-powered DIMMs Apple prefers).
You won't see > 16GB till cannon lake, probably some time in 2018. Kaby lake nor coffee lack support LPDDR4 and LPDDR3 is limited to 16GB.
This is an Intel problem, not an Apple problem really, the only thing Apple could do about it is use DDR4L which would cut battery like quite a bit and require a whole new motherboard (and probably battery) design.
Please just make a 15" model with a full keyboard! I can live with the rest of it but it's going to be miserable trying to program missing all those keys.
I really wanna see some benchmarks/real world tests of this new version. it's starting to look like the semi-serious tiny machine i wanted it to be all along.
I've been sitting on my 2012 original retina waiting for them to sort this out. I've heard of the 15in 2016 model getting as little as 3 hours of relatively idle use(ie liveblogging), and my 2012 still lasts 5~ with a bajillion cycles.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 103 ms ] threadThe phones are another story, but it seems the macbooks are pretty solid.
Also I'd be hard pressed to find a $5K configuration for a new macbook. Seems like $3K tends to be top of the line.
A Kaby Lake refresh is hardly news when the rest of the industry is already preparing for Gemini Lake.
How about people vote these pieces up? How about a single post will just be a cacophony of different tangents?
>A Kaby Lake refresh is hardly news when the rest of the industry is already preparing for Gemini Lake.
Tell news outlets that and you'd be surprised.
I just got back from the Apple Store. My 2013 MacBook pro is hard crashing, no logs being written. Most likely a hardware defect. They tried formatting and re-installing a fresh copy of OSX. It crashed during the re-install. They tried booting it up in a special diagnostic mode and it crashed in that mode, which should not have happened.
I bought this in December 2013 so its almost 3.5 years old. The minimum it would cost me to fix it is $475 which to me is too much to pay given the age of the machine and the cost of a new machine.
I contrast this with a Dell laptop I bought in 2001 that is still running today in 2017.
The Apple care insurance they sell can at most get you 3 years total coverage. This would not have helped me in this case.
I am going to explore other computer brands at this point.
The 'Pro' moniker is just a marketing gimmick these days.
My personal experience is seeing Dell, HP, Fujitsu and other brand laptops completely disintegrate in a 3-year timespan, with Apple hardware easily outliving them - hardware issues eventually appear, but overall condition, specially mechanical, is not even in the same league.
There is something to be said about warranties that you learn in engineering school. The time period they cover is always calculated such that the majority of faults across the majority of customers will not occur inside of the window they cover.
This is an Intel problem, not an Apple problem really, the only thing Apple could do about it is use DDR4L which would cut battery like quite a bit and require a whole new motherboard (and probably battery) design.
I don't want to have to switch ecosystems.
Does the faster GPU help with VR?
How much more battery life does it get?
I've been sitting on my 2012 original retina waiting for them to sort this out. I've heard of the 15in 2016 model getting as little as 3 hours of relatively idle use(ie liveblogging), and my 2012 still lasts 5~ with a bajillion cycles.