Ask HN: What are some of the best job boards you have seen (any industry)?
What job boards or apps/services, from any industry, does the community think are great examples of the job application process done well and what is it they do better than the others?
Lastly, when a job application does use LinkedIn's auto-fill feature what are your experiences with it?
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 185 ms ] threadFor anesthesia providers. Simple, and to the point. Job searches are needlessly complicated and so many employers are extremely closed off in terms of revealing compensation and details of the work you'll be doing, which I find minimized on this site.
Not bad! However, I imagine there's robots gearing up for this type of job.
Most doctors make very good money, don't get me wrong. And most anesthesiologists make good money compared to other doctors. But there are much, much easier and less risky ways to achieve nearly the same standard of living and financial security.
Also, you have long term risk of cancer and other nasties from exposure to the chemicals.
"Despite questions about design issues or selection bias in some studies, the weight of the evidence regarding potential health risks from exposure to anesthetic agents in unscavenged environments suggests that clinicians need to be concerned. Moreover, there is biological plausibility that adds to the concern that high levels of unscavenged waste anesthetic gases present a potential for adverse neurological effects or reproductive risk to exposed workers or developmental anomalies in their offspring (Cohen et al. 1980; Rowland et al. 1992)."
Since you mentioned ROI, let's look at the financial aspect. You'll need loans for college and medical school. Let's say college is $75k for 4 years all in, including living expenses, and $160k for medical school. For your residency, you'll be making barely $50k a year, likely in an urban environment. It's not unreasonable to expect additional loans on top of that just to survive, in addition to three years of interest on top of the ~$235k in student loans you already have. Is $350k in student loans unreasonable by the time you can actually start paying them off? Probably not.
Some napkin math on $350k at 5% (it will absolutely be higher because you'll need private loans) shows that you'll have a $2300/mo student loan payment for 20 years, until you're 56. If you more than double your payments to $6k/mo it will still take you 6-7 years to pay off the balance (with the benefit of saving you over $150k in interest).
A lot of people spend more than that on their house, and I'm sure $2300 is not a lot of money when you're pulling in $650k a year as an anesthesiologist with 15 years of experience. But to me there is a ton of risk in doing something like that that you may hate.
And let's not forget, you don't even have a college degree. You might find out that you just suck at chemistry. :)
[0] https://residency.wustl.edu/CHOOSING/SPECDESC/Pages/Anesthes...
http://www.massdevice.com/johnson-johnson-bails-sedasys-auto...
A pity their blog is purely clickbait fluff, genuinely valuable market analysis posts would help with marketing a lot.
I'm linking to it as a showcase of a "job board done right" rather than for actual job searching - that's how I understood OP's question.
hh.ru - Russian Linkedin. Main difference - works 10 times as fast( while having a quadriple amount of lines in JS ), best UI of any "webapp" I've ever seen for both mobile and desktop versions.
moikrug.ru - used to be an amateur blogging website/semi-opensource project to which I contributed at around 2006-2007. Now after being resold and respun 10 times over, it has been turned into a job site as the only demographics there were software devs... They managed to best HH.ru at scaling down the UI even further. Currently, they run the best job board for tech talent in Russian speaking countries. They have very select clearing criteria for clients to minimize "spamcruiting," and other bad recruitment practices (thought they did bend over for the biggest players there like MS and Yandex.) That focus on working with right clients is what has been propelling them ahead of others.
I'm genuinely impressed. Do you know what is their technology stack?
Handwritten ES5 to big extend. They are very choosy on use of browser features and amount of fallbacks they bundle (no point of using polyfills if they work at 1/10th of native speed.) They carved out some of react core code for event handling, and use 3rd party remote JS debugging lib. Everything else was developed in house over the course of 20 years. Some of their front-end code featuring seemingly new approaches to handling JS, can easily be written over 10 years ago as they were one of web 2.0 pioneers.
On the backend side, they are a Java shop with immediate front-end interaction being partly handled by purpose built API servers on C++.
*Disclaimer, i'm a co-founder.
1. No remote-only search
2a. No salary range
2b. No search by salary range
3a. No equity range
3b. No search by equity range
4. No information about the company other than whatever they put in the job posting (funding is pretty important if you're branding yourself with "unicorn")
5. Giant gif from Silicon Valley on the pricing page but that might just be personal preference
Also recommend https://dribbble.com/jobs for design jobs, and searching through profiles with the "Available for hire" filter.
I've also had descent results from the aggregator http://indeed.com
Tangential: Glassdoor (in my case actually LoveMondays, a local copycat that Glassdoor bought) is very useful when deciding to accept an offer.
As an employer too, the pricing model is super.
* Upfront Salaries * Talent treated with dignity * Companies/Talent held accountable for showing up to interviews
Some of the listings there have ranges that are more useful/realistic than others, but I find having at least some indication of potential compensation for a position is infinitely better than not having any idea at all, and avoids so much potentially wasted time on both sides of the job search due to unrealistic expectations around compensation. This is especially important for startup jobs, which can vary wildly in compensation from one company to the next.
Their search and filtering tools are top notch too, as you can break down listings by just about any criteria you might think of, such as industry, tech stack, location, size/funding, role, and of course, compensation, for which they even have a dedicated tool [1].
Of course, money isn't everything, and if you're even considering working for a startup like I was, it's probably not your number 1 priority, but nevertheless it's still an important consideration that can pose as a potential deal-breaker for many candidates, especially when looking for jobs in big tech hubs that have higher than average cost of living.
Candidate matching services like TripleByte [2], Hired [3], underdog.io [4] and AngelList's recently introduced A-List [5] can also work well for the right candidates, though I've personally had mixed results with TripleByte and Hired, and haven't yet tried underdog.io or A-List, so YMMV.
The tools I listed are are mostly only useful if you're interested in working for a startup, and not so much if you're looking specifically to work for larger, established companies. But since this is HN, I suspect a non-negligible percentage of people who come across this thread will fall into the former group, so I hope some may find this post useful.
[0] https://angel.co/jobs
[1] https://angel.co/salaries
[2] https://triplebyte.com/
[3] https://hired.com/
[4] https://underdog.io/
[5] https://alist.co/
For what it's worth, my issue with the process I went through was the significant workload required for the take-home project I chose.
Some background: I semi-specialize in frontend work because I enjoy building great products and user experiences.
Out of the 4 take home projects you offered at the time, only 1 had anything remotely product-oriented: a _multiplayer_ snake game. The take-home projects were estimated to take at most 3 hours, which seemed about right for the other 3 project options, but definitely not for this one, which involved non-trivial frontend work and realtime networking in the backend, which seemed like more of a whole-weekend kind of deal at the very least. Nevertheless I chose this project because the other projects simply didn't interest me at all, and probably wouldn't have given me any opportunity to showcase any product chops because they didn't involve any non-trivial frontend work.
I was also interviewing outside of Triplebyte at the time, so I didn't have a whole weekend to burn on this project. In the end, I worked on it for the estimated 3 hours and had a decently working & polished frontend but couldn't finish the backend component, so that's what I went to the interview with and was rejected for not being able to finish.
In the end I think this was an issue of project selection/scope. I don't think 3 hours was a very honest estimate for the time commitment required for the project I chose, and any project that takes more than 3 hours feels like too much more time commitment than most would be willing to accept.
My personal recommendation for take-home project selection would be to offer the same project choices you'd offer candidates who take the real-time interview path, but simply expect more polish, better code quality, architecture and testing.
Though take that recommendation with a grain of salt, because you guys have probably put way more thought into this than I have. Nevertheless I'd love to hear how your project selection process has evolved since then.