Ask HN: How is your standing desk working for you?
Bodywise I love it, my back pain is much less and I alternate between sitting and standing in 1h intervals.
My problem is that I find it much harder to concentrate while I am standing and I am writing much more code while sitting.
Curious about other opinions?
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 232 ms ] threadI don't think I have worse concentration while standing unless I've been standing for awhile and my feet are staring to hurt, which makes me a bit more restless. Another thing I've noticed is that people seem to find me more approachable when I'm standing. They seem to strike up conversations more often, whereas when I'm sitting I must look like I'm working hard and shouldn't be bothered.
Overall, I'm very happy to have one and would recommend a standing desk to anyone, provided they have the option to sit as they please.
Not really related to standing desks, more my workout (though I've found sitting for long periods of time with runner's knee no more comfortable than standing. Sometimes it was worse). Anyway thanks!
I had knee surgery a few weeks back trying to solve the problem, which has forced me to be sitting all day, but I've been counting the days until I can be back at my standing desk.
Instead of a chair, I built a leaning stool out of an old cane. Takes up less space than a chair and easier to transition to as well.
I also noticed I drink a bit more water and move around a little bit more since there isn't the "get up from sitting" process.
I have noticed that I switch between the two positions really often. Having a fast lifting mechanism (mine uses springs/gas canisters with a hand brake) is essential, since it makes the transition fast enough to not interrupt any flow I have going.
My only real complaint is that when standing, any bump of the desktop is magnified through the monitor arms, making them jump around alot. Not a big deal, but when it happens it's annoying.
My honest suggestion for back pain is a better chair with stronger lumbar support. Also check your posture. The combination honestly changed my life. You would be shocked how much of a difference it can make.
Read this about APT: http://www.anteriorpelvictilthq.com/anterior-pelvic-tilt/, not saying you have it, but it's possible. I had back pain for a long time because I thought I was "standing up straight". Really I was arching my lower back really badly and it caused all the pain. Did the same thing when driving. Once I realized what it was, I was able to correct it and now the pain is not nearly as bad.
Hanging helped a little and so did the traction machine at the sports medicine doctor, aka Chiropractor. Things like that only helped until I got to the root of the problem.
I hope this helps in some way and your back gets better.
EDIT: Also, when you go to get something off the ground, go down to one knee instead of squatting down, that one was straight from the doctor and actually helped a lot.
I tend not to really get into a flow state while standing, but it's good for briefly knocking out tasks like email or minor changes.
I also find it hard to write code when standing so I use standing position mostly for reading, calls, standups etc. when I want to get in the "zone" - only sitting + headphones works for me.
[1] Robin A. McKenzie, "Treat Your Own Back".
Otoh, the McKenzie book is very concise and gets you started almost immediately.
I have been standing primarily now for over a year and even converted my home gaming computer desk to a standing desk. Yep I stand while pc gaming...lol.
It really helps me feel better, back issues aside, because I feel like I am moving more. Even just the switching feet position.
The only advice I have is to get a good padded mat. I started without one and it was painful on my feet and legs.
I find that in long stretches of work I really need to switch between standing and sitting else I become irritated. When I work outside home I'm most productive at a specific cafe that has both standup and sit down tables.
What desks are you using and do you have any recommendations?
Also do you think it will last 3-5 years?
My second one was purchased used on craigslist. It is more than 3 years old, and still "like new".
http://www.thehumansolution.com/stand-up-desk-with-reclaimed...
I was thinking of making something similar to the gaze desk. I just need to find the right hardware for it. http://www.gazedesk.com/en/product/sample-product/gaze-desk-...
No. I use Ergotron arms (http://www.ergotron.com/en-us/) for my MacBook and external monitor. Everything is always at the right height regardless of whether I'm sitting or standing.
Here's a picture of my setup:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16620309/standingdesk.jp...
https://m.imgur.com/j9QT0R4?r
I think all of these solutions miss one of the problems with working at a desk: you're sedentary, and that's ultimately bad for the heart. I can't find a source at the moment, but I read an article here a while ago by the AMA which did an investigation into the effects of sitting/being still. They said that it's better to just move more (and spend a much reduced time sitting) than it is to sit slightly less and engage in intensive exercise.
Humans haven't evolved to be spending eight hours a day sitting in roughly the same place with breaks for coffee. Just like lack of exercise, it's poisoning.
And yes, exercising definitely helps with most, if not all the posture problems. Make sure your exercise program involves some good stretching and strength workouts.
Then about a year ago I tried going without, and found I didn't need them anymore.
So basically I suggest using them when you're getting started, but after that do whatever works for you.
There are ones that have a preset, and I wish mine had that option.
I'm kind of the opposite to you, where, when I realize I'm losing focus, I'll switch to standing and try to squeeze out a little more focus before relenting and taking a break. Sometimes that will get me right back into the groove and next thing I know it, I've been coding for another two hours.
That's not to say I don't take breaks throughout the day, but focus can be a bit tougher to maintain on some days. Switching my desk definitely helps.
I've been meaning to try the treadmill hack[1] to get a slow treadmill under my desk. Unfortunately, at 6'6" (2m), I'm not sure this desk (or any automated standing desk) is tall enough for me to get a treadmill underneath and still have my desk at a comfortable height.
1: http://www.treadmilldeskdiary.com/setting-up-my-confidence-p...
Coding while walking was never a concentration problem for me, so I can only offer that as an anecdotal data point. It might be me, but maybe walking rather than standing makes it easier to concentrate?
There were plenty of downsides that make using the walking desk hard for me. I was working in games, and testing a 3d game while walking was often disorienting and would cause me to trip on myself or walk off the treadmill. Frequent visits and phone calls from other employees were more difficult to deal with than coding while walking. And a treadmill desk is bulky and noisy and hard to move around. I got the smallest setup I could find, and it still used up a lot more space than I expected.
- 10 years experience in service industry.
My feet have "much" more of an arch in my feet than two years ago and the difference is noticeable.
I chuckled when I read that! I hope you didn't get hurt, of course, but it must have been quite funny for your coworkers.
Cheers for the post-lunch laugh :)
I've actually exercised a lot my whole life and never been able to lose weight that way. If I don't track my intake, I end up compensating for exercise by eating more. I've only been able to lose weight by counting calories.
I have the opposite experience, if you're a fidget-y ADHD person, standing desks can be great. Sitting in a chair all day is torture.
Also invest in an anti-fatigue mat IMO.