Ask HN: How is your standing desk working for you?

154 points by arisAlexis ↗ HN
Bodywise I love it, my back pain is much less and I alternate between sitting and standing in 1h intervals.

My problem is that I find it much harder to concentrate while I am standing and I am writing much more code while sitting.

Curious about other opinions?

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Works great, but as you said, I can't code as well standing. So I code sitting, and try and browse / everything else standing. If I need to sit for too long I take 5ish minute walks often (probably one or two an hour)
In general, I'm a big fan. I probably go back and forth between sitting and standing every three hours or so.

I don't think I have worse concentration while standing unless I've been standing for awhile and my feet are staring to hurt, which makes me a bit more restless. Another thing I've noticed is that people seem to find me more approachable when I'm standing. They seem to strike up conversations more often, whereas when I'm sitting I must look like I'm working hard and shouldn't be bothered.

Overall, I'm very happy to have one and would recommend a standing desk to anyone, provided they have the option to sit as they please.

I envy people who can use standing desks. I tried for a few months but my right knee hurt pretty badly after a while. I realized I was constantly leaning on my right leg and just couldn't stop myself. Interestingly, I think most people do this more than they realize but can tolerate it better.
Do you have a history of knee issues? If not, you may want to check out some mobility stuff (mobilitywod.com). For me, tight hip flexors + IT band + achilles meant the whole system was tight and hurt after a bit of use. Check it out.
Wow, I've been having some knee pains (runners knee?) lately, but haven't had time to really investigate. This looks like a great tool to at least get started.

Not really related to standing desks, more my workout (though I've found sitting for long periods of time with runner's knee no more comfortable than standing. Sometimes it was worse). Anyway thanks!

I have a knee issue that makes sitting extremely uncomfortable, so I built a standing desk a year or so ago. I can never go back, it's been so much easier to focus and get things done without trying to get comfortable.

I had knee surgery a few weeks back trying to solve the problem, which has forced me to be sitting all day, but I've been counting the days until I can be back at my standing desk.

Instead of a chair, I built a leaning stool out of an old cane. Takes up less space than a chair and easier to transition to as well.

It's great, I've been using one for ~2 years. I bought a powered adjustable one, but have only ever lowered it once when I had my ACL done about a year ago. Otherwise, I stand the entire day and find I can focus pretty well.

I also noticed I drink a bit more water and move around a little bit more since there isn't the "get up from sitting" process.

I'm a fan. I haven't noticed any major differences in capabilities when standing or sitting.

I have noticed that I switch between the two positions really often. Having a fast lifting mechanism (mine uses springs/gas canisters with a hand brake) is essential, since it makes the transition fast enough to not interrupt any flow I have going.

My only real complaint is that when standing, any bump of the desktop is magnified through the monitor arms, making them jump around alot. Not a big deal, but when it happens it's annoying.

I tried one for a couple days but couldn't do it.

My honest suggestion for back pain is a better chair with stronger lumbar support. Also check your posture. The combination honestly changed my life. You would be shocked how much of a difference it can make.

Makes my lower back pain worse. I also can't get in the 'zone' as easily. I have a powered standing desk and sit at it 90-95% of the time.
Are you overweight? If so losing weight will likely help your back. If you're just inactive doing core and back exercises will help significantly.
I posted this to another commenter with back pain, maybe it can help you:

Read this about APT: http://www.anteriorpelvictilthq.com/anterior-pelvic-tilt/, not saying you have it, but it's possible. I had back pain for a long time because I thought I was "standing up straight". Really I was arching my lower back really badly and it caused all the pain. Did the same thing when driving. Once I realized what it was, I was able to correct it and now the pain is not nearly as bad.

Hanging helped a little and so did the traction machine at the sports medicine doctor, aka Chiropractor. Things like that only helped until I got to the root of the problem.

I hope this helps in some way and your back gets better.

EDIT: Also, when you go to get something off the ground, go down to one knee instead of squatting down, that one was straight from the doctor and actually helped a lot.

I keep mine in the sitting position 80% of the time, but as I've been getting more into fitness and trying to work on my posture I've been using it more.

I tend not to really get into a flow state while standing, but it's good for briefly knocking out tasks like email or minor changes.

Great, as long as I'm wearing a comfortable pair of tennis shoes. Otherwise, if I'm wearing a pair of dressy leather shoes, my feet quickly begin to ache.
Get a thick foam mat. I got one designed for standing on when working in a garage and it makes a big difference. Cost about $10.
I got one about four months ago. It is an electric lift desk, takes about 20 seconds to switch. Most days I leave it standing. I'm definitely getting better at standing. At first it hard to focus while standing, but now it is easy. When I switch to sitting it takes a while to get focused, since it feels strange.
Similar to you - I alternate between standing and sitting (not every hour though)

I also find it hard to write code when standing so I use standing position mostly for reading, calls, standups etc. when I want to get in the "zone" - only sitting + headphones works for me.

I was thinking better work stand up for more focus, and take short breaks sitting, relaxing reading.
I can warmly recommend this book for treating back pain and posture problems: [1].

[1] Robin A. McKenzie, "Treat Your Own Back".

I will check that out. I just ordered Kelly Starret's The Supple Leopard which comes highly recommended.
Starret's book looks great, and it covers a LOT of information, but because of that it may not be suitable for everyone.

Otoh, the McKenzie book is very concise and gets you started almost immediately.

I feel more focused while standing. I am also the type of person who needs at least a little action going on in the background to really get in the zone (like at a coffee shop).

I have been standing primarily now for over a year and even converted my home gaming computer desk to a standing desk. Yep I stand while pc gaming...lol.

It really helps me feel better, back issues aside, because I feel like I am moving more. Even just the switching feet position.

The only advice I have is to get a good padded mat. I started without one and it was painful on my feet and legs.

My old job, I was given a motorized desk. I never stood. Managed to gain a ton of weight and health problems. At the new job, didn't have the option for any form of standing desk at first. Then a couple of standing desks came in, but they were hand cranked. Made things harder to go up and down, but I took over one and got rid of the stool that came with it. I don't really notice a different in my work performance, nor do my managers, but I have noticed my posture is a bit better, along with he diet and exercise my doctor put me on, I feel better about things. MY only gripe was the first couple weeks of pure standing, my back KILLED while trying to get used to it. Now, my legs are tired when I get home and I don't move around much there. But I won't give it up for my regular work.
I have an Autonomous AI desk, got it shipped to UAE paying nearly double the price due to shipping and waiting about 3 months. I consider it money well spent.

I find that in long stretches of work I really need to switch between standing and sitting else I become irritated. When I work outside home I'm most productive at a specific cafe that has both standup and sit down tables.

Just because you mentioned the UAE, how can I get in touch with you to ask you some trivial questions, regarding this desk?
hi! i'm the founder of autonomous. thank you for order! we're working hard to add more distribution centers around the world (we have 5 now: new york, california, toronto, amsterdam, and shenzhen) and that will reduce the shipping cost for customers around the world.
I already had a fairly active after work life that involved powerlifting and cycling. I have to admit most of the time I am sitting at work as I am normally hurting somewhere (the good kind of muscle ache). But at home I have a standing only desk and it's best use is allowing me to quickly move from being at the device or doing something else. I don't feel like I am settling in for a long stint, I can quickly pop on a video or write a message and move away.
I'm looking to buy or make a standing desk now.

What desks are you using and do you have any recommendations?

I have a Varidesk (https://www.varidesk.com/). It is solid, no frills, and easy to use. The price point is reasonable too.
How sturdy are those? I tried using an ikea standing desk at my old office and it wobbled way too much.

Also do you think it will last 3-5 years?

The only time I experience any wobble at all is at the highest height, and even then it's minimal.

My second one was purchased used on craigslist. It is more than 3 years old, and still "like new".

I agree. I split my time between a co-working space and home, and I have a Varidesk Pro 36 at each location. I have been using them for a few years now, and I think they're a great product.
I have a desk from the Human Solution made with reclaimed wood. It wasn't cheap, but it's solid and it looks great. Friends are always complementing me on it. It's been working well for about two years now.

http://www.thehumansolution.com/stand-up-desk-with-reclaimed...

Oh nice. Do you adjust the monitor height when you lift/lower the desk.

I was thinking of making something similar to the gaze desk. I just need to find the right hardware for it. http://www.gazedesk.com/en/product/sample-product/gaze-desk-...

I've taken a look at that same desk. Are the surface and edges smooth, or are there rough patches that could snag/splinter? Can you write on paper on the desk surface smoothly?
Good question. Yes, there are rough patches. You couldn't write on paper without something like a book underneath.
Have you tried working in a tatami desk? I found that it works well for me. Working in a tatami forces you to sit in a seiza style, which in turn forces you to straighten your back. The Japanese say it's supposed to be a "proper" way of sitting.
For those more inexperienced, it can really hurt after a while to sit like that, and even for those experienced it's probably not recommended to stay in such a position for a long time.

I think all of these solutions miss one of the problems with working at a desk: you're sedentary, and that's ultimately bad for the heart. I can't find a source at the moment, but I read an article here a while ago by the AMA which did an investigation into the effects of sitting/being still. They said that it's better to just move more (and spend a much reduced time sitting) than it is to sit slightly less and engage in intensive exercise.

Humans haven't evolved to be spending eight hours a day sitting in roughly the same place with breaks for coffee. Just like lack of exercise, it's poisoning.

I completely agree. I don't necessarily stay in that position all day. I make sure to take lots of breaks, either by standing up and walking around or taking a cup of coffee.

And yes, exercising definitely helps with most, if not all the posture problems. Make sure your exercise program involves some good stretching and strength workouts.

Do you use anti-fatigue mats when you're standing? I find that it helps a lot.
I've been using a standing desk for about three years. At first I used two anti-fatigue mats, doubled-up. I found one mat wasn't enough, and three felt like I was floating (hard on the ankles, like walking on sand).

Then about a year ago I tried going without, and found I didn't need them anymore.

So basically I suggest using them when you're getting started, but after that do whatever works for you.

Really good investment. I have the small electric one from Ikea.

There are ones that have a preset, and I wish mine had that option.

I have been using one for about a year and a half. I don't use it as much as I should but once or twice a week it helps me get through the mid afternoon lull. I find that if I am loosing focus that standing for 20 minutes gets me back on track.
I have an automated sit-stand desk, and I really appreciate having it. I don't necessarily switch to standing every day, but I do at least 75% of the time. When I do, it's for one to two hours at a time.

I'm kind of the opposite to you, where, when I realize I'm losing focus, I'll switch to standing and try to squeeze out a little more focus before relenting and taking a break. Sometimes that will get me right back into the groove and next thing I know it, I've been coding for another two hours.

That's not to say I don't take breaks throughout the day, but focus can be a bit tougher to maintain on some days. Switching my desk definitely helps.

I've been meaning to try the treadmill hack[1] to get a slow treadmill under my desk. Unfortunately, at 6'6" (2m), I'm not sure this desk (or any automated standing desk) is tall enough for me to get a treadmill underneath and still have my desk at a comfortable height.

1: http://www.treadmilldeskdiary.com/setting-up-my-confidence-p...

Standing hurts my feet within 10-20 minutes, but I found a treadmill/walking desk to be something I could do all day long. It helped a lot with back pain, and as a side-effect it cured post-lunch sleepiness.

Coding while walking was never a concentration problem for me, so I can only offer that as an anecdotal data point. It might be me, but maybe walking rather than standing makes it easier to concentrate?

There were plenty of downsides that make using the walking desk hard for me. I was working in games, and testing a 3d game while walking was often disorienting and would cause me to trip on myself or walk off the treadmill. Frequent visits and phone calls from other employees were more difficult to deal with than coding while walking. And a treadmill desk is bulky and noisy and hard to move around. I got the smallest setup I could find, and it still used up a lot more space than I expected.

Were you using a good mat at the standing desk? Without one most people will have foot pain.
Also, shoes and/or soles/inserts.

- 10 years experience in service industry.

Yep, good question, I should have mentioned it. I even tried a really thick one. It definitely helps, but standing still is what kills my feet, I have to shift my weight so often to keep my feet from hurting that it starts to feel like walking in place.
Do you have collapsed arches, and if you do have you looked into rebuilding them? Assuming you look into it i know Kelly Starrett has discussed it so he probably has good resources (e.g. in Ready to Run, no running required) and there are likely other good sources as well.

My feet have "much" more of an arch in my feet than two years ago and the difference is noticeable.

Not that I know of, but I can't say I've ever had my arches evaluated. Maybe it's time! I do hike & run a lot and don't have any issues there. I used running shoes with good insoles & arch support when using the standing desk & treadmill desk. Would there be other symptoms that indicate collapsed arches?
You'd have to do some research (and maybe involve a doctor). If you do have collapsed arches, or just really weak arches, your reasons are likely different than other peoples reasons.
I have collapsed arches. Do you mean that you can rebuild them by standing barefoot?
I have definitely hear a PT use the phrase "rebuild your arches". I've just experimented a lot and done some reading. In addition do doing A LOT of your own research and experimentation, talking to someone who actually knows what they're doing would probably be helpful.
"I was working in games, and testing a 3d game while walking was often disorienting and would cause me to trip on myself or walk off the treadmill."

I chuckled when I read that! I hope you didn't get hurt, of course, but it must have been quite funny for your coworkers.

Cheers for the post-lunch laugh :)

No injuries thankfully, but yes the people that witnessed me walking off the treadmill quite enjoyed it. I learned pretty quickly to step off or turn off the treadmill before launching a build.
Did you lose weight with a walking desk? 8 hours at 2mph is 16 miles per day!
No, but I wish. 2mph is too fast for me, I would walk at 1mph, and generally with meetings and lunch and talking to co-workers I would get 4-5 hours in, so 4 or 5 miles was a pretty good day.

I've actually exercised a lot my whole life and never been able to lose weight that way. If I don't track my intake, I end up compensating for exercise by eating more. I've only been able to lose weight by counting calories.

My back is fucked up from hard living, and a minor auto collision. Standing desk definitely helps, I stand exclusively when possible.

I have the opposite experience, if you're a fidget-y ADHD person, standing desks can be great. Sitting in a chair all day is torture.

Also invest in an anti-fatigue mat IMO.