haha i LOVE the upper-right reason (storing answers on calculator) ... kids learn the benefits of caching early-on! why re-compute when it's much more efficient to do a cache lookup?
Recomputing (formulas) is actually a pretty useful skill to have in almost all science classes, so you can store the least possible amount of formulas in your head and still do very good at exams, unless they have very short time limits.
And it's way more fun than cheating.
>> We all know the old adage about cheaters only cheating themselves. Unfortunately, the reality is that leaving academic dishonesty unchecked creates a pattern of abuse, hurting the credibility of the entire institution.
Students cheat because we have academic systems that reward those who cheat without getting caught. Instead of asking how we can catch people, maybe we should be asking why students cheat in the first place. I mean these aren't just unmotivated high school dropouts -- they're honor students, college students, etc. By the articles own admission, 80% of high achieving students admit to cheating. Hell, I went to MIT and cheating was even rampant there.
Why aren't students motivated to learn? Why is it that even good students don't feel short-changed when they cheat for the answers instead of learning the material? When you try to answer questions like that, you'll think less about catching cheaters, and more about reforming our ineffective, outdated, traditionalist educational systems.
>> "Why aren't students motivated to learn? Why don't they feel short-changed when they cheat for the answers instead of learning the material?"
Great point. We're certainly talking about the symptoms here, and I agree with you that the core problem is why aren't students motivated to learn and how we can reform a very traditional education system. We're going to tackle this in upcoming blog posts -- in the meantime, can you send me an email? Contact info in my profile... thanks!
I usually found the problem sets were usually really hard. Much harder than the actual exams. Most study groups that I had seen simply consisted of one person that found the questions very easy, and a group of people that scrambled to write down the responses, even if they didn't understand them. I always found it hilarious (not really, in fact I always thought it was really unfair) that psets would be so hard, and I would do relatively poorly compared to the almost full score everyone got. On the other hand, when the exams came about, the averages were usually extremely low, with exams that should be a piece of cake for someone who can actually figure out the pset questions.
As a Teaching Assistant, I saw this situation even more clearly. As part of an assignment, students had to write an algorithm in pseudocode. We didn't publish a very well defined syntax for the language. However, interestingly, like half of the students came up with identical syntax, including instructions we had never discussed and that weren't even conventional. After finding several pset copies that were simply identical to each other, the professor decided that simply sending them an e-mail was enough of a punishment.
I find that insulting for those who actually try hard and expect their grades to be an accurate reflection of their standing in the class.
For many I think it comes down to one number: GPA. When companies screen applicants who don't meet minimum GPA requirements and most measures of performance are based solely on the grades put down on paper, there is little incentive to actually learn the material, and a lot of incentive to simply earn a better "high score".
Perhaps I'm naive, but I went to another institution of higher learning just down the street from MIT. I was physics major, and I was not aware of any cheating among my peers. Again, perhaps I was oblivious, but my impression was that high performing students were not cheating, whereas there was a lot of cheating among lower performing students. This pattern made sense to me at the time, because it seemed that the students that wanted to learn challenged themselves, took hard classes, and wanted to do their own problem sets and actually learn the material (we were all card carrying nerds and proud of it!), not just get a good grade for the sake of some future reward.
Culturally, the United States does not value education. It values the prestige of education, and what it can do for your career, but the idea of reducing ones ignorance isn't considered a terribly noble pursuit. Winning and obtaining valuable things is what counts - who cares how you get there - so long as nobody can take it away from you after the fact.
I think you've made an important observation about true education versus the prestige of education, and the valuing of the prestige and little else is certainly not confined to the United States. It is the dominant attitude towards education in East and South Asia, for example, even though those societies are perceived as having greater respect for education than the USA.
For highly motivated students there is a choice you can learn more or keep a higher GPA. This split often starts around 3.0 GPA and becomes most obvious when someone try's to keep a 4.0. In many ways this is why Harvard and MIT students are so prone to cheating, try keeping a 4.0GPA and do interesting things on the side without cutting some corners somewhere.
PS: Try running the numbers some time; there is a lot more openings in top collages than there are geniuses in this country. So most of people at “top” schools not all that more intelligent than the average person.
Most students are probably not attending school because they really want to be. You're in school because you have to be. Because your parents told you to, or because you think a degree or certificate will improve your job or salary prospects, or some other goal.
In this context, schools and classes and learning are the means, and not the goal.
Self-directed learning is far more interesting and productive (for me). That might involve local or college classes, iTunes U or any number of other resources including classes from Stanford or MIT, or hacking away with some hardware or software, or finding somebody to ask questions of.
I'm learning because I want to, and all the interesting stuff is always off in the weeds.
Good question. I think a big issue is lack of relevancy.
I have an Industrial Engineering degree from a school that had extensive internships with local companies. You went on two 6-month internships as part of the curriculum. Going into it, I thought that the internships would motivate me to do better in my classes, but the opposite happened. I returned to school each Fall realizing that most of the coursework had no relation to what I would be doing on the job. I still enjoyed the engineering science classes (well, except Fluids) but the core curriculum stuff felt like a waste of time. I never cheated* but I honestly wouldn't have felt guilty if I had.
* I did take a guy's algebra final in exchange for a 12-pack, though. Eight years out of school he rose to VP of Accounting at a mid-size company, so I don't think he hurt his career.
People cheat because they're immoral when no one's looking. I don't see that we need to try to justify it any further than that. Someone can get something valuable without working for it by lying/stealing, and they can probably get away with it, so they do it.
Sure, academic institutions reward cheating. What institution doesn't? Shoplifting has lots of rewards too. There are rewards to cheating at almost everything. The only things keeping people from doing it are conscience and integrity, and it's not news that many people (intelligent or not) have small supplies of both.
Cheating was rampant in my "honors" classes in high school and all through college as well, and more novel forms of cheating appear to be no less rampant in the business world. It bothers me, but I don't think we need to hunt for justifications for it. It seems easy to understand from where I'm sitting. Just be thankful we don't all have Rings of Gyges.
I cheated once on a Spanish test in 8th grade. I was kicked out of basketball for the next rest of the year. When I look back at why I cheated the simplest reason was that I did not study for the test. The reason that I did not study was because I was being forced to take the class. If I had wanted to take the class, I would have never cheated because I would have wanted to learn.
I think people want the rewards for accomplishments but not the accomplishment itself. That's why people cheat.
Students cheat because the institution doesn't tell them to learn. Institutions tell them to get high grades. And students, being cunning smartasses they are, say "fine, I will get high grades," and thus they proceed to cheat because it is the easier way to get high grades and/or pass tests.
If instead schools simply said you're here to learn, and God (aka the natural laws of the universe which are unbreakable) will determine whether or not you "pass" in life, then no one would cheat (or can cheat, for that matter).
"Students cheat because the institution doesn't tell them to learn. Institutions tell them to get high grades. And students, being cunning smartasses they are, say "fine, I will get high grades," and thus they proceed to cheat because it is the easier way to get high grades and/or pass tests."
Those students are lazy and they will most likely bring that laziness to their job. Yes, it's easy to just cheat and get good grades, but the grades are supposed to be the result of your hard work. I know people in high school that loved to cheat and find the easiest way to pass whatever test they were taking. 10 years later, many of them have low-paying factory jobs and are still living with mom and dad.
If I hacked into my school's computer system and gave myself all A's, it doesn't make me any smarter in Calculus (one of the subjects where I changed my grade).
You could go out and buy a trophy that says that you made MVP of your softball league, but isn't the point to earn it?
Students being smartasses only proves that humans will take the past of least resistance.
"If instead schools simply said you're here to learn, and God (aka the natural laws of the universe which are unbreakable) will determine whether or not you "pass" in life, then no one would cheat (or can cheat, for that matter)."
That's like saying: If we stop arresting people, we won't have any more criminals.
How are we going to judge people on how much they have learned if not on concepts and material from their lessons?
> That's like saying: If we stop arresting people, we won't have any more criminals.
It's actually more like saying we should take away all laws.
> How are we going to judge people on how much they have learned if not on concepts and material from their lessons?
Well, without laws, whoever is still alive at the end of the day has made it.
> Those students are lazy and they will most likely bring that laziness to their job.
I think it's naive to think all the people who cheat all get what they deserve. I honestly can't say what % of them do get what they deserve, but I'm sure it's not all of them. Yes, given time = infinity, they will all get what they deserve. It's also an uphill battle to not get what you deserve and cheat, but I think a lot of people can get away with cheating before they die. And also it does not mean they are lazy. It simply means they are more practical. For example if a child is told to do task B, but aren't given a satisfactory reason for doing it, then they are highly compelled to cheat, lazy or not, if completion of the task gets them something of understandable value.
> If I hacked into my school's computer system and gave myself all A's, it doesn't make me any smarter in Calculus (one of the subjects where I changed my grade).
Why would you do this? I'm guessing you would do this if A's could get you a better job right/more opportunities? So getting the As has understandable value to you. So that means you have two possible opinions regarding the actual learning part: 1 - You do not understand why you have to learn it, so the least path of resistance for you is to cheat (You're not necessarily lazy, you just don't want to do unnecessary work), 2 - You understand the value of the learning but you're a lazy and you just try to cheat to get the grades for free.
> You could go out and buy a trophy that says that you made MVP of your softball league, but isn't the point to earn it?
The point is to earn it, but lots of students don't immediately see that point. They're just told that you have to do learn this and that it will one day be important. When students get to college many more of them see this, but still a lot don't understand the full importance of actually learning.
It's why people pad or lie on resumes. Some people do it 'cause they're lazy, but some do it because they believe the end justifies the means. The unfortunate part is that a lot of these students can continue doing this and get a job at a big company because a big company doesn't care so much about actual performance, so as long as you have the credentials.
Disclaimer: I cheated once on a spelling test in 5th grade, apart from that, I do not remember ever cheating again.
"It's why people pad or lie on resumes. Some people do it 'cause they're lazy, but some do it because they believe the end justifies the means. The unfortunate part is that a lot of these students can continue doing this and get a job at a big company because a big company doesn't care so much about actual performance, so as long as you have the credentials."
Most big companies don't care about grades either. If you pad your resume with lies, you might be able to slide by some of the time, but it will eventually catch up with you.
"Disclaimer: I cheated once on a spelling test in 5th grade, apart from that, I do not remember ever cheating again."
I cheated once in elementary school also (I think it was on a history test). But I learned that cheating is wrong and I haven't done it since.
"Well, without laws, whoever is still alive at the end of the day has made it."
School is a step above the anarchy that was the earth before modern times, not a step below.
"For example if a child is told to do task B, but aren't given a satisfactory reason for doing it, then they are highly compelled to cheat, lazy or not, if completion of the task gets them something of understandable value."
"Cheating" for some tasks are just another word for getting it done more efficiently.
"When students get to college many more of them see this, but still a lot don't understand the full importance of actually learning."
Some students don't learn because it's something they just don't want to do. When you have a choice between hanging out with your friends and partying all night and studying for a test/learning something new, the activity that is more "fun" trumps all.
When the student that is partying all the time starts failing (IE: bad grades), they will then be forced to either start studying or leave. Without grades, they would just continue partying.
The point of contention here is that you think cheating will always catch up to you.
I'm saying that the world is not so liquid and ideal. Someone cheating, assuming they do it right (and don't over do it), will probably get more than they deserve (in an idea world) before they die, if they did everything 100% by the book. Simple karmic forces (the cause-effect force) dictate that if you cheat constantly, you will increase your chances of being caught and punished. However people don't live forever, so it's highly possible they will get more than they deserve in their lifetime if they cheat.
I think if you look at it from afar, you may not notice the inequity caused by cheating. I really can't really say how much cheating impacts society, but I definitely disagree with you on your claim that cheating is always (or at least to a point of insignificancy) caught/punished accordingly.
"The point of contention here is that you think cheating will always catch up to you."
so taking away grades will get rid of cheating? People that have the cheating mindset will just find some other way to shortcut success.
"I'm saying that the world is not so liquid and ideal. Someone cheating, assuming they do it right (and don't over do it), will probably get more than they deserve (in an idea world) before they die, if they did everything 100% by the book. Simple karmic forces (the cause-effect force) dictate that if you cheat constantly, you will increase your chances of being caught and punished. However people don't live forever, so it's highly possible they will get more than they deserve in their lifetime if they cheat."
This is true, but there is usually more effort (or just as much) with cheating than doing it right. It's also not a long-term solution. As an example, I go to the blackhatseo forum from time to time. The people there do anything they possibly can to cheat people out of money and game as many systems as they can. What I've noticed is that most people get caught (and kicked out of wherever they were trying to make money) or their reputation gets tarnished every couple of months and they need to start over.
If they just put that same effort into a legitimate business, they could slowly build a client base over time and if it's successful (which has just as much of a chance as the illegitimate methods), they won't have to hide or move every few months.
Cheaters, like these people are only focusing on short-term gains..which is foolish. Will they get ahead or make money? To some degree, yes, but it will almost always catch up with them.
"I think if you look at it from afar, you may not notice the inequity caused by cheating. I really can't really say how much cheating impacts society, but I definitely disagree with you on your claim that cheating is always (or at least to a point of insignificancy) caught/punished accordingly."
It seems like this is a personal issue for you. Is there someone ahead of you at work that you feel shouldn't be there because they cheated?
I'm looking at it closely, and I still really don't see all of these cheaters you are talking about. Do you have some examples?
You're right, cheating is not something to live by as an absolute philosophy. But no doubt people lie or cheat often and many may get away with it.
> I'm looking at it closely, and I still really don't see all of these cheaters you are talking about. Do you have some examples?
Nope. In fact, I don't even have anecdotal evidence. But my belief is that many people will get away with one or two instances of cheating here and there. Sure cheating will catch up to people, but it does so slowly (unless you constantly cheat). Not everyone does it because they are sociopathic. Some people do it because they think the end justifies the means. And because I think a lot of people believe (or at least tolerate it) in that mantra, I think a lot of them will justify cheating to get ahead slightly (perhaps to get what they think they deserve). Plus, I'm hearing all the time about how kids at MIT and what not cheat. Do I think they will get screwed in life for doing it once in a while? No, because they probably don't believe it's a good way of life. Do I care? No. Why do I not care? Well I'd only care if I can prove that someone's cheating directly adversely affected me. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want and the natural forces of cause and effect will balance it all out. That is, if it affects someone else directly, it's up to them to decide to care or not.
But I absolutely agree with you that constant cheating is not sustainable. In fact, in general, any actions which might piss other people off is not sustainable and takes more effort to maintain. But I think there's a lot of people doing occasional cheating/lying, mainly justified because they believe the end justifies the means. And these instances of cheating and lying may not in the end matter because "catching up" takes a long time, or because whatever they did just happened to be practically justified by the end result.
I personally don't believe in the end justifying the means, which is why I refuse to cheat or lie. If I can't get good grades then either something is wrong with the education system or I'm retarded. I'd rather believe the former. But the last thing I'd do is to pretend there is not problem with the education system (hypothetically speaking).
My question is why do we treat students differently in exams than we do in classes?
When I was going through K-12, there was no collaborative work, we sat at our own desks, did our own work, and although cheating was there, there was a significant portion of students that did not cheat. The people that struggled were quickly noticed, and either given extra help or told that they need to work harder etc.
Fast forward to today. My daughter, Grade 7, sits in a "pod" instead of in a row. Essentially all work is either collaborative or copied from the one person that knows what's going on. The people that don't know what's going on can coast.
Quizzes are in the pods. non-final/midterm exams are in the pods. Why, given the level of cooperation that we've drilled into them since Grade 1, are people surprised that students copy off each other, use other peoples homework to get their answers, etc etc.
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[ 5.0 ms ] story [ 69.1 ms ] threadStudents cheat because we have academic systems that reward those who cheat without getting caught. Instead of asking how we can catch people, maybe we should be asking why students cheat in the first place. I mean these aren't just unmotivated high school dropouts -- they're honor students, college students, etc. By the articles own admission, 80% of high achieving students admit to cheating. Hell, I went to MIT and cheating was even rampant there.
Why aren't students motivated to learn? Why is it that even good students don't feel short-changed when they cheat for the answers instead of learning the material? When you try to answer questions like that, you'll think less about catching cheaters, and more about reforming our ineffective, outdated, traditionalist educational systems.
Great point. We're certainly talking about the symptoms here, and I agree with you that the core problem is why aren't students motivated to learn and how we can reform a very traditional education system. We're going to tackle this in upcoming blog posts -- in the meantime, can you send me an email? Contact info in my profile... thanks!
I usually found the problem sets were usually really hard. Much harder than the actual exams. Most study groups that I had seen simply consisted of one person that found the questions very easy, and a group of people that scrambled to write down the responses, even if they didn't understand them. I always found it hilarious (not really, in fact I always thought it was really unfair) that psets would be so hard, and I would do relatively poorly compared to the almost full score everyone got. On the other hand, when the exams came about, the averages were usually extremely low, with exams that should be a piece of cake for someone who can actually figure out the pset questions.
As a Teaching Assistant, I saw this situation even more clearly. As part of an assignment, students had to write an algorithm in pseudocode. We didn't publish a very well defined syntax for the language. However, interestingly, like half of the students came up with identical syntax, including instructions we had never discussed and that weren't even conventional. After finding several pset copies that were simply identical to each other, the professor decided that simply sending them an e-mail was enough of a punishment.
I find that insulting for those who actually try hard and expect their grades to be an accurate reflection of their standing in the class.
PS: Try running the numbers some time; there is a lot more openings in top collages than there are geniuses in this country. So most of people at “top” schools not all that more intelligent than the average person.
In this context, schools and classes and learning are the means, and not the goal.
Self-directed learning is far more interesting and productive (for me). That might involve local or college classes, iTunes U or any number of other resources including classes from Stanford or MIT, or hacking away with some hardware or software, or finding somebody to ask questions of.
I'm learning because I want to, and all the interesting stuff is always off in the weeds.
It goes far beyond 'our' academic systems. We have a WORLD that rewards those who 'cheat' without getting caught... It is called 'leverage'.
I have an Industrial Engineering degree from a school that had extensive internships with local companies. You went on two 6-month internships as part of the curriculum. Going into it, I thought that the internships would motivate me to do better in my classes, but the opposite happened. I returned to school each Fall realizing that most of the coursework had no relation to what I would be doing on the job. I still enjoyed the engineering science classes (well, except Fluids) but the core curriculum stuff felt like a waste of time. I never cheated* but I honestly wouldn't have felt guilty if I had.
* I did take a guy's algebra final in exchange for a 12-pack, though. Eight years out of school he rose to VP of Accounting at a mid-size company, so I don't think he hurt his career.
Sure, academic institutions reward cheating. What institution doesn't? Shoplifting has lots of rewards too. There are rewards to cheating at almost everything. The only things keeping people from doing it are conscience and integrity, and it's not news that many people (intelligent or not) have small supplies of both.
Cheating was rampant in my "honors" classes in high school and all through college as well, and more novel forms of cheating appear to be no less rampant in the business world. It bothers me, but I don't think we need to hunt for justifications for it. It seems easy to understand from where I'm sitting. Just be thankful we don't all have Rings of Gyges.
Where I come from, that’s plagiarism.
Edit: Why would you downvote this comment? It’s hard to gloss over an “oversight” of plagiarism on an article about plagiarism.
I think people want the rewards for accomplishments but not the accomplishment itself. That's why people cheat.
If instead schools simply said you're here to learn, and God (aka the natural laws of the universe which are unbreakable) will determine whether or not you "pass" in life, then no one would cheat (or can cheat, for that matter).
Those students are lazy and they will most likely bring that laziness to their job. Yes, it's easy to just cheat and get good grades, but the grades are supposed to be the result of your hard work. I know people in high school that loved to cheat and find the easiest way to pass whatever test they were taking. 10 years later, many of them have low-paying factory jobs and are still living with mom and dad.
If I hacked into my school's computer system and gave myself all A's, it doesn't make me any smarter in Calculus (one of the subjects where I changed my grade).
You could go out and buy a trophy that says that you made MVP of your softball league, but isn't the point to earn it?
Students being smartasses only proves that humans will take the past of least resistance.
"If instead schools simply said you're here to learn, and God (aka the natural laws of the universe which are unbreakable) will determine whether or not you "pass" in life, then no one would cheat (or can cheat, for that matter)."
That's like saying: If we stop arresting people, we won't have any more criminals.
How are we going to judge people on how much they have learned if not on concepts and material from their lessons?
It's actually more like saying we should take away all laws.
> How are we going to judge people on how much they have learned if not on concepts and material from their lessons?
Well, without laws, whoever is still alive at the end of the day has made it.
> Those students are lazy and they will most likely bring that laziness to their job. I think it's naive to think all the people who cheat all get what they deserve. I honestly can't say what % of them do get what they deserve, but I'm sure it's not all of them. Yes, given time = infinity, they will all get what they deserve. It's also an uphill battle to not get what you deserve and cheat, but I think a lot of people can get away with cheating before they die. And also it does not mean they are lazy. It simply means they are more practical. For example if a child is told to do task B, but aren't given a satisfactory reason for doing it, then they are highly compelled to cheat, lazy or not, if completion of the task gets them something of understandable value.
> If I hacked into my school's computer system and gave myself all A's, it doesn't make me any smarter in Calculus (one of the subjects where I changed my grade).
Why would you do this? I'm guessing you would do this if A's could get you a better job right/more opportunities? So getting the As has understandable value to you. So that means you have two possible opinions regarding the actual learning part: 1 - You do not understand why you have to learn it, so the least path of resistance for you is to cheat (You're not necessarily lazy, you just don't want to do unnecessary work), 2 - You understand the value of the learning but you're a lazy and you just try to cheat to get the grades for free.
> You could go out and buy a trophy that says that you made MVP of your softball league, but isn't the point to earn it? The point is to earn it, but lots of students don't immediately see that point. They're just told that you have to do learn this and that it will one day be important. When students get to college many more of them see this, but still a lot don't understand the full importance of actually learning.
It's why people pad or lie on resumes. Some people do it 'cause they're lazy, but some do it because they believe the end justifies the means. The unfortunate part is that a lot of these students can continue doing this and get a job at a big company because a big company doesn't care so much about actual performance, so as long as you have the credentials.
Disclaimer: I cheated once on a spelling test in 5th grade, apart from that, I do not remember ever cheating again.
Most big companies don't care about grades either. If you pad your resume with lies, you might be able to slide by some of the time, but it will eventually catch up with you.
"Disclaimer: I cheated once on a spelling test in 5th grade, apart from that, I do not remember ever cheating again."
I cheated once in elementary school also (I think it was on a history test). But I learned that cheating is wrong and I haven't done it since.
"Well, without laws, whoever is still alive at the end of the day has made it."
School is a step above the anarchy that was the earth before modern times, not a step below.
"For example if a child is told to do task B, but aren't given a satisfactory reason for doing it, then they are highly compelled to cheat, lazy or not, if completion of the task gets them something of understandable value."
"Cheating" for some tasks are just another word for getting it done more efficiently.
"When students get to college many more of them see this, but still a lot don't understand the full importance of actually learning."
Some students don't learn because it's something they just don't want to do. When you have a choice between hanging out with your friends and partying all night and studying for a test/learning something new, the activity that is more "fun" trumps all.
When the student that is partying all the time starts failing (IE: bad grades), they will then be forced to either start studying or leave. Without grades, they would just continue partying.
I still don't really see your point.
I'm saying that the world is not so liquid and ideal. Someone cheating, assuming they do it right (and don't over do it), will probably get more than they deserve (in an idea world) before they die, if they did everything 100% by the book. Simple karmic forces (the cause-effect force) dictate that if you cheat constantly, you will increase your chances of being caught and punished. However people don't live forever, so it's highly possible they will get more than they deserve in their lifetime if they cheat.
I think if you look at it from afar, you may not notice the inequity caused by cheating. I really can't really say how much cheating impacts society, but I definitely disagree with you on your claim that cheating is always (or at least to a point of insignificancy) caught/punished accordingly.
so taking away grades will get rid of cheating? People that have the cheating mindset will just find some other way to shortcut success.
"I'm saying that the world is not so liquid and ideal. Someone cheating, assuming they do it right (and don't over do it), will probably get more than they deserve (in an idea world) before they die, if they did everything 100% by the book. Simple karmic forces (the cause-effect force) dictate that if you cheat constantly, you will increase your chances of being caught and punished. However people don't live forever, so it's highly possible they will get more than they deserve in their lifetime if they cheat."
This is true, but there is usually more effort (or just as much) with cheating than doing it right. It's also not a long-term solution. As an example, I go to the blackhatseo forum from time to time. The people there do anything they possibly can to cheat people out of money and game as many systems as they can. What I've noticed is that most people get caught (and kicked out of wherever they were trying to make money) or their reputation gets tarnished every couple of months and they need to start over.
If they just put that same effort into a legitimate business, they could slowly build a client base over time and if it's successful (which has just as much of a chance as the illegitimate methods), they won't have to hide or move every few months.
Cheaters, like these people are only focusing on short-term gains..which is foolish. Will they get ahead or make money? To some degree, yes, but it will almost always catch up with them.
"I think if you look at it from afar, you may not notice the inequity caused by cheating. I really can't really say how much cheating impacts society, but I definitely disagree with you on your claim that cheating is always (or at least to a point of insignificancy) caught/punished accordingly."
It seems like this is a personal issue for you. Is there someone ahead of you at work that you feel shouldn't be there because they cheated?
I'm looking at it closely, and I still really don't see all of these cheaters you are talking about. Do you have some examples?
> I'm looking at it closely, and I still really don't see all of these cheaters you are talking about. Do you have some examples?
Nope. In fact, I don't even have anecdotal evidence. But my belief is that many people will get away with one or two instances of cheating here and there. Sure cheating will catch up to people, but it does so slowly (unless you constantly cheat). Not everyone does it because they are sociopathic. Some people do it because they think the end justifies the means. And because I think a lot of people believe (or at least tolerate it) in that mantra, I think a lot of them will justify cheating to get ahead slightly (perhaps to get what they think they deserve). Plus, I'm hearing all the time about how kids at MIT and what not cheat. Do I think they will get screwed in life for doing it once in a while? No, because they probably don't believe it's a good way of life. Do I care? No. Why do I not care? Well I'd only care if I can prove that someone's cheating directly adversely affected me. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want and the natural forces of cause and effect will balance it all out. That is, if it affects someone else directly, it's up to them to decide to care or not.
But I absolutely agree with you that constant cheating is not sustainable. In fact, in general, any actions which might piss other people off is not sustainable and takes more effort to maintain. But I think there's a lot of people doing occasional cheating/lying, mainly justified because they believe the end justifies the means. And these instances of cheating and lying may not in the end matter because "catching up" takes a long time, or because whatever they did just happened to be practically justified by the end result.
I personally don't believe in the end justifying the means, which is why I refuse to cheat or lie. If I can't get good grades then either something is wrong with the education system or I'm retarded. I'd rather believe the former. But the last thing I'd do is to pretend there is not problem with the education system (hypothetically speaking).
When I was going through K-12, there was no collaborative work, we sat at our own desks, did our own work, and although cheating was there, there was a significant portion of students that did not cheat. The people that struggled were quickly noticed, and either given extra help or told that they need to work harder etc.
Fast forward to today. My daughter, Grade 7, sits in a "pod" instead of in a row. Essentially all work is either collaborative or copied from the one person that knows what's going on. The people that don't know what's going on can coast.
Quizzes are in the pods. non-final/midterm exams are in the pods. Why, given the level of cooperation that we've drilled into them since Grade 1, are people surprised that students copy off each other, use other peoples homework to get their answers, etc etc.