Ask HN: Your opinion about “tournament” to hire people?
Today I received an email with a "tournament" of a company for hire process, they want 200 developers in a room the full day, working in some solutions and in the end they will select a few to work for their company earning $100k/y.
I don't think that's something a people should do these days, this looks more gladiator stuff... what is your thoughts?
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[ 8.2 ms ] story [ 996 ms ] threadSteer clear of it. If this is their mental model of how work should be done, imagine what it is like inside the company.
I would also wonder, if in the US, what laws they might be breaking for this "hiring" process.
That's how a lot of big open source projects like Chrome and Android and React work...except it's more than 100 developers for more than a 8 hours and there is a lower ratio of jobs on offer at the end...and NPM and Github have a similar model except that they profit by aggregating code people contribute for free.
For the app store, developers write code without being paid and compete with each other. The corporate entity behind the competition doesn't pay the losers and takes a cut from the winners and the winners rarely make $100k/year and have no job security because the corporate entity can change the rules arbitrarily.
Or to put it another way, a tournament of 100 developers competing for five $100k/year jobs provides each developer with an expected value of $5k/year/eight_hours. That's an expected value of $612.50/hour. In terms of the App store that's like writing another FlappyBird.
Like I said, the main difference here is the lack of PR polish and the nakedness of the value proposition.
this would have been true if the selected developers didn't need to work for a year and get paid for it!!! you can calculate it by ($100k - $marketRate )/ year / eight_hour !!!
How likely is it that a developer will develop an app in 8 hours with an expected value of $5k/365 or $13.70?
I occasionally get paid to work on open-source projects that happen to help my company. Because you know, it's my job.
I think they are relying on recruiting younger developers.
If there are 200 developers who are willing to participate in such a tournament, then its most likely that they are either jobless, or looking for a better position or find this kind of tournament fair game.
Regarding getting paid for your code, I just want to ask do you get paid for writing/designing programs or solving problems when you go give a regular interview. Of course not. Apart from perhaps from a free lunch at the onsite facility and the travel tickets, do you ever expect to be paid your average hourly rate when you go to give interviews at companies like Google or Apple. I don't think so.
If someone whines about getting paid, then you need to assume that the person has either made it or is not jobless. A lot of jobless people would go great distances to land a job - sitting in a AC room for a day writing programs is surely not that unpleasant a demand.
I am sure that a lot of folks here would have a very different opinion if they were jobless/homeless or looking desperately for a job.
However I will not feel comfortable working for this company knowing this is their hiring process, they pay no respect to a developer's skill to communicate and work with others, their knowledge in building software at large scale, ability in bringing improvement to other people's skills and the company's processes. Sorry to be blunt but it sounds to me they're trying to hire code monkeys/coding robots not software developers.
1. Choose your team
2. Choose your project
3. Keep the IP
I would imagine the tourney would fixate on a specific challenge to be done in a specific programming language. It's going to be a fizzbuzz experience.