66 comments

[ 1.8 ms ] story [ 55.2 ms ] thread
Is the bump in Linux attributable to Chromebooks/Chrome OS? There's this thread from a year ago speculating about NetMarketShare's methodology with regards to Chrome OS, but nothing was confirmed: http://www.omgchrome.com/chromebooks-fuelling-rise-linux-os-...

If true, it's incredible that this seems to be biting directly into Apple's marketshare: the Generation Z "I'm a teenager/college student who just wants to use Facebook and do all my homework" demographic now has an alternative to the millennial's "I need a MacBook to be cool and work effectively." Tremendous ramifications for those of us who still make desktop software, especially in the professional multimedia space.

"not least of all, the variety of form factors and new players such as Chrome OS, which isn't included here for logistical reasons."

From the article, no the chromebook is not the reason for the bump in linux. It would be interesting to know exactly why chrome os is not counted.

My guess on Apple's dip is that Apple's current offerings are not that great compared to where they stood 4-5 years ago.

As one anecdote, our company switched from all mac to all windows during 2015-2016. Windows 10 is very good, and we needed GPGPU support.
It would be interesting to know how much of the stagnation in market share movement is because people just aren't buying new computers right now if they don't absolutely have to.

Windows 10 is unattractive for well-documented reasons, and it seems Microsoft is still stubbornly refusing to acknowledge or deal with them.

Apple's recent hardware has been disappointing, and after a series of questionable developments, macOS no longer has the reputation for being rock solid that it did a few years ago either.

The only thing we've seriously considered buying recently was a small number of Linux laptops, which do fine if you're mostly using web-based software anyway and/or you're doing techie things where Linux might have better tools available anyway.

I'm still slightly wondering whether, somewhere in the corner offices of one of the IT giants, there might be a team of executives discussing whether they can make a serious play for the general purpose desktop computing market in 2020 while Microsoft and Apple are both asleep at the wheel. Sadly, as much as I'd love that to happen, I suspect no-one could be far enough along to pull it off in time and yet to have nothing leaked yet. Which means that yes, in 2020, a lot of bad things are probably going to happen in the industry one way or another.

Honestly, I think the future is going to be iOS and Android for consumption of media and basic tasks, consoles for gaming, and Linux for development.

Apple and MS both ruining the desktop.

Don't underestimate the number of desktops used in business enterprises.

I'm currently developing a product in a Windows environment. We're trapped in Windows for historical reasons- the first draft of the codebase 10 years ago was for Windows, and even just a few years later there was already too much momentum for the guys who tried to do a *nix port to make any headway.

I've been in meetings with business partners where we pushed for an upgrade to Win10, only to hear that they're so risk-averse to upgrading that some of their systems are still XP.

I do agree desktop OS feels like a race to the bottom- I can't believe, given the resources available on modern hardware, that windows 2000 remains my favorite MS OS, with both win7 and 10 unable to replicate its stability and core competency of being good at just running what I asked it to run.

However, I think offices and commercial applications are going to continue to lean heavily on desktop OS-es for decades to come.

> they're so risk-averse to upgrading that some of their systems are still XP.

I'd say that's risk ignorant rather than risk adverse. I hope those XP systems are tightly locked away with no network access of any kind, but I doubt they are.

I've heard first-hand accounts of hospitals running XP as recently as a few months ago.
Apple are ruining the desktop? What did they do?
Its not exactly like macOS has been a pinnacle of stability lately. The number of issues I have with the various macOS devices I interact with has been about the same as for the Windows devices I interact with. That might seem ok, but its a massive failure if you consider the reputation macOS and Windows had just a few years ago.

When people complain about Windows 10 its because of things it does really well (spying on you, forcing updates); its failures are product failures, not technical failures.

Apple's hardware still seems to be much more reliable than Microsoft's hardware of late, but that is its own can of worms.

Could you go more into the specifics of the stability problems you have experienced with macOS as of lately?

In my experience the latest versions of macOS have been more stable than ever. My MacBook Pro from 2013 came with OS X 10.9 Mavericks installed, and with that OS version I would get an occasional kernel panic. With macOS Sierra, and before that with El Capitan, I haven't experienced a single OS (or Finder for that matter) crash for over two years. I only need to restart the computer for updates once every few months. I could go on and on..

Are Apple products perfect? No not at all, Xcode crashes once per day, I've seen people having glitches with the Touch Bar etc. But the base system? Stable as a rock. So what's going on with your system?

Well, for instance, for roughly a year on my Macbook (2014 Retina 13"). It gets in a state where the keyboard and trackpad are unresponsive but the laptop is clearly still running. USB devices are probably hosed too, because attaching an external keyboard at this point doesn't help either. Started with El Capitan, continues with Sierra, and Apple support finds all hardware diagnostics are okay. My only recourse is to power cycle the laptop.

Another example, once or twice a week when waking up from sleep the wifi adapter doesn't reattach, and hovering over the wifi status in the menu bar yields a beach ball. My only recourse is to power cycle the laptop.

About a year ago my Plantronics bluetooth headset stopped reliably pairing, or rather it does pair, but the audio quality is so horrible I gave up and went back to wired earbuds.

So yes, far from perfect. I would say the product team has been distracted with convenience frills like Handoff, AirDrop, auto-unlock via Apple Watch, and so on, when what I would prefer is reliable sleep/wake and i/o devices that work every time.

Nonetheless, this is still leaps and bounds ahead of the Windows 7 laptop the corporate office insists I use. And it's a reputable brand and everything, and not a fluke (they've swapped out the laptop multiple times but every one has some fatal flaw.)

I have never experienced a crash in windows 10 either, I think OS's matured enough and unless there's a major hardware issue going on stability is a solved problem.
My work laptop rarely makes it through the night without crashing/rebooting. I started closing all my apps before leaving partly to diagnose the cause (which is none of the apps I use apparently) and also to at least know what I'll get when I come in.

Waking from sleep takes ages. It doesn't on my home MacBook. Think waking a windows vista device from sleep.

Back in the fall, the OS's file save/open/select dialog would hang any apps that tried to use it. Imagine writing an email in Gmail, going to make a link, and then needing to restart your entire browser because you accidentally clicked the 'attach file' button. My fear of file operations lingers.

That experience prompted me to update to sierra - I was reluctant to upgrade because el cap trashed my apps (notably the fancy new office that I depended on at the time). That solved the file upload issue, but it also broke Preview's page numbering for my textbook PDFs.

My home MacBook now has glitchy Bluetooth. I'm constantly having to restart it, and the UI seems to have a 50/50 chance of being consistent with reality.

I saved the best for last: every time I plug in my DAC/amp to my work computer (I like nice headphones that need an amp), macOS resets the balance to heavily favor the left channel. I spent so much time fiddling with cables trying to figure it out. I thought the equipment was broken, or maybe my hearing, or maybe my sanity. The workaround is easy, but as a result, I have to go into system settings daily. It sucks, but at least my home computer isn't affected.

>consoles for gaming

Over my cold dead body, matey.

Fun fact: Windows 7 is now older than Windows XP was when Windows 7 was released.
But it doesn't feel that old.
That's because not much has changed with the OS between Windows 7 and Windows 10. That's a big reason why many people are staying with Windows 7: It works just as well, is (currently) just as secure, doesn't spy on you as blatantly as Windows 10 does, and doesn't randomly reboot when you don't want it to.
I use both Windows 7 (desktop) and windows 10 (laptop). I haven't found much difference between the two, unless you count the time after Win10's release when they "accidentally" screwed Win7's update feature.

The Win10 features I like are the multiple desktops and bash on windows. I don't think these alone warrant an upgrade. Win10, however, has become much better since launch, when I found it to be utter trash.

I had to look it up. Sure enough, it's been 8 years.
Meh. A lot of those systems are in offices where there's really not been a compelling reason to have upgrade cycles less than 5 years. Even a first or second generation i3/i5 has more than enough compute power for anything in most office environments, and if a machine is sluggish day to day it's almost always addressed by taking it from 4gb (or even 2!) up to 8 at very low cost or by replacing that overloaded 10/100 switch in the closet. An upgrade to SSD may be appropriate for a few, but that gets close to the "just replace it" point.

If you're a small company paying for outside support having someone do the upgrade would likely have been $100+ per machine, for what gain?

I'd expect a surge of replacements this fall as Office 2007 goes EOL and systems get replaced instead of upgraded (unless there's a shift to Office365 subscriptions) since non-subscription Office upgrades will die with the machine, at least for companies with decent IT staff or contractors. Note that this is for small companies not doing volume licensing, which is its own separate and special hell.

Even though the free upgrade offer has supposedly ended, it's super easy to upgrade to a fully legal copy of Windows 10 for free. It's a giant side door that MS has intentionally left open. Just google it.
For the curious, it sounds like you may be referring to the "assistive technologies" upgrade. Anyone who uses any kind of assistive technology is entitled to a free upgrade. And they do mean any kind, and they don't ask what you use:

"We are not restricting the upgrade offer to specific assistive technologies. If you use assistive technology on Windows, you are eligible for the upgrade offer."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgra...

If you're worried about the ethics of saying you use an assistive technology when you don't think you really do, take a look at the Windows 10 Ease of Access settings. Anything in there obviously qualifies you, and many of them can be useful for just about anyone. For example:

Do you get tired of the crazy Windows 10 Start menu animation, and the downright awful cursor animation in Word and Excel? (Really, what were they thinking: when you click on a cell in Excel, the box cursor animates from the old cell it was on to the cell you clicked on! Who in the world cares about the old cursor location when clicking on a new cell? And when you type text in Word, the blinking cursor animates across the screen as you type instead of moving in sync with your keystrokes like every other program in the world.)

You can fix that: Ease of Access / Other Options / turn off the "Play animations in Windows" setting.

What if you have a high-DPI display and find the default one-pixel cursor width a bit hard to see? You can make it thicker in that same panel.

Have a keyboard with a numeric pad and would like to be able move the mouse cursor using the numeric pad? Ease of Access / Mouse / turn on Mouse Keys.

Don't have a numeric pad, or you would like to be able to move the mouse cursor from the home row keys? Get my JKLmouse program that gives you IJKL or HJKL mouse cursor movement: http://www.jklmouse.com/ - forgive the shameless plug, but it is really useful to be able to move the mouse cursor precisely pixel by pixel. MouseKeys or JKLmouse let you do that, and either one also qualifies as an assistive technology. (And sorry my installer isn't signed, but if you prefer, you can get the source code from GitHub and run it under AutoHotkey - just put a shortcut to the script in your Startup folder.)

Have a high-DPI display and want the better support that Windows 10 offers for it? Or do you ever use a screen magnifier to see individual pixels - either the one built into Windows or one of the many others available? Same story.

Anything along these lines legitimately qualifies you for the upgrade, so you don't have to feel guilty for clicking the "Yes, I use assistive technologies" button.

I'm on Windows 10, but if I go to "Windows Ease of Access" folder on the Start menu, the On-Screen Keyboard is listed.

(That's a common tool that you didn't list by name -- it's one I use.)

I think they were once threatening to enforce it, but they probably don't care about it anymore.
The animated cursor also appeared on Excel for OSX, I wanted to kill someone (but I went with plan B and downgraded to a previous Office version).
They did finally add an option to the Mac version Excel 2016 to turn off the cursor animation. It's in the Excel preferences panel, not a systemwide setting like on Windows.

I don't recall whether it was in Excel 2016 all along or if they added in some update, but the option is definitely there now in the Mac version.

Thanks, will re- install!
Why would I want Windows 10 if 7 is working fine? The only major upside is hi dpi and touch screen support, which I only care about on newer devices. Also the stability is substantially worse because Microsoft will force update my machine frequently with updates that can take 30+ minutes.
Very much each to their own. Even though I use FreeBSD, I personally love Windows 10 and feel like it's a significant improvement over Windows 7 and 8.1.
Unless you're technically inclined, there's nothing really exciting about going to windows 10, but a lot of things can go wrong. I'm not saying 10 is bad, I just see no real incentives to upgrade from 7. (Im using 10 btw, I just can't think of a real reason why a 7 user needs to switch)
It's easier for a company to maintain fewer versions of software that serve the same functional purpose.
Obviously, but neither GP or me are Microsoft incarnate.
>Also the stability is substantially worse because Microsoft will force update my machine frequently with updates that can take 30+ minutes.

30 minutes might be a bit hyperbolic, unless your computer has a 2 core atom, 2GB ram, and 5400 HDD. also, updates happen once a month, maybe twice for out-of-band updates.

I'm really not exaggerating, I have a surface pro 4 which I rarely use, because practically every time I go to use it it needs to reboot like three times for a forced patch. Compared to my ipad which will nag me but otherwise leave me alone, its a non starter.
I'm still on Windows 7 on my Thinkpad because my apps work fine and because windows 10 added these stupid scroll animations when you hit the page down key. Many people don't care but I use the page down key a lot and event time I press it in Windows 10 it animates the scroll down gesture which is annoying. I don't want a tablet on a Thinkpad. I know on Windows 8 it wasn't possible to disable it when I tried. Hopefully disabling animations will now fix this in Windows 10.
I'm not sure which animation you're talking about, but you can turn off a lot of superfluous animation by going into Settings / Ease of Access / Other options / turn off the "Play animations in Windows". This also turns off the Start menu animation and the wacky cursor animation in Word and Excel. Set my other (lengthy) comment for related tips.
I'm still on windows 7, and frankly at most I can anticipate upgrading to windows 8.1.

Windows 10 is a complete non-starter until microsoft provides:

  - A way to COMPLETELY disable and remove the Cortana/Search system.    
  - A way to COMPLETELY disable (and keep disabled) all the telemetry.    
  - A way only EVER install updates manually.
It's not too well known, but you can uninstall the entire search/indexing system from windows 7. It's in the "turn windows features on and off" dialog in "Programs and Features". I've never had the W7 search actually be helpful, and the complete lack of documentation on it doesn't really help. Turning it off entirely at least prevents the indexing service from using all my CPU at random times.

The "Everything" search utility from Void Tools is basically exactly what I want from the filesystem search tool.

I've looked at the W10 LTSB variant, and it's a hell of a lot more attractive then the normal variant.

Everything is one of my most indispensable tools. I use it many dozens of times a day. I have 1.7 million files on my C: drive, and it can find any of them as fast as I can type. Map it to a hotkey so it is always there ready to go.

http://www.voidtools.com/

I find Everything is complemented by AstroGrep. These are the two tools I use most often.
Does anyone do serious work on Windows 10? How do you guys deal with the forced updates (that use up all CPU and disk I/O resources), forced reboots, etc?

It seems whenever I turn on my Windows 10 machine, there's a service using all the resources.

I do all of my work on Windows 10 Insider Edition. I have an update about once every other week or so, and have to reboot. In between those times, I only put my laptop to sleep by shutting the lid, and wake it up by opening the lid. Despite using a "beta" version (Insider Edition), I can count on one hand the number of unplanned shutdowns I've had that weren't due to an update. Maybe I'm just lucky, but my experience with Windows 7 (which never figured out how to sleep and wake up properly, on the same laptop) makes me think not. I've had the same experience on 2 other models of laptops and 2 other models of desktops.
I have Pro and I have it download and notify me of updates but I install them on my schedule.
I just set all the network connections to "metered" and turn off the Windows Update service.
If you use Windows 10 daily there's hardly any extra resource usage. It usually happens with systems that people turn on once in a while.
By the time Microsoft drops support for Windows 7, I plan on finally making the jump to Linux full time. I see no compelling reason to use Windows 10, considering the complete lack of privacy and annoying features like forced updates and uninstallable apps.
sounds like "2020 is the year of the linux desktop" to me, and you know how well that turns out.
The person above isn't saying "everyone will be using linux," but rather "(s)he will be using linux." There's a big difference there. Nowadays since most applications run in a browser, it's absolutely possible to switch over to linux without much hassle. The stranglehold that Windows had on the OS world has weakened significantly in the last decade.
You know you have a problem when people refuse a FREE upgrade to your latest product. In my opinion, this is a consequence of Microsoft's refusal to just give people what they want: an even better, more optimized Windows 7. That's it.

They could have delivered that with Windows 8, but we all know what happened. God knows how much money they wasted in that process (Nokia deal, Win 8 failure, Win Phone failure).

Instead of learning about their mistake, they kept this strategy going with Windows 10, but UWP is not taking off and Windows Mobile is dead.

UWP has a really good chance if Windows 10S will be well received in education
that's just armchair quarterbacking. If they did deliver just a better win7 then people would be saying that you can't be relevant by staying in the past. Good on them for experimenting, even if it didn't pay off this time around (yet anyway)
Then why are so many people still on Windows 7 despite the fact that there was a free upgrade to Windows 10? Is it possible that a lot of people simply don't like the new "modern" apps (UWP) MS is pushing? Is it possible they got burned by Windows 8 and don't see the point in upgrading?
I'll concede that the market hasn't responded, but still applaud MS for pushing forward with new ideas.
Windows 8 was a pretty big blunder to recover from. And it left many people with an unease to upgrade.

Also, Windows 7 was just really an incredible operating system. When something is that good, it's really hard to move on.

Me though, I'm enjoying 10 quite nicely.

There's another story in those statistics. In the last 2 years:

"Mac OS has dropped from 7.66 to 5.85." (-1.81) "Linux ... from 1.68 to 3.37" (+1.69)

I speculate that many of the ex-Mac users are moving to Linux.

It also begs the question, what did Apple do wrong in the last 2 years?

(comment deleted)
They stopped producing good hardware.
Along with their pricing still being laughable high. The "Mac tax" is more than a running joke.
If the definition of "good" is MagSafe, full-size USB, and HDMI, then I agree completely. It was for those reasons that I recommended a friend to buy a refurbished 2015-model MacBook Pro instead of the touch bar version.

The neglect of user needs in the hardware department doesn't totally explain the software shift, though.

> If the definition of "good" is MagSafe, full-size USB, and HDMI, then I agree completely

Also a decent range of graphics options, as well as large RAM options. I don't feel any of the current 'pro' level hardware offerings come anywhere near the requirements of a professional, at least in terms of costs when compared to other options from smaller vendors.

Mac hardware is still "good" but I think that it's plateaued and it's less of a differentiator than it used to be, paricularly considering its price.
They decided to have crazy small upgrade timeframes. Instead of 'once every 18 months' on average, they decided to go every 12 months.

I cannot think of a single enterprise environment (including education) that upgrades to the latest macOS version on release day (or year) anymore.

Many I know are still running El Capitan and will move to macOS Sierra when High Sierra comes out due to core apps no longer working / lacking updates to the latest macOS offering.

Could it be that nobody knows what the latest version is any more due to the naming convention. At least with the big cats, they tended to get 'bigger' as they went along.

Maybe they should switch to simply 'macOS 2017' then 'macOS 2018'. Not really working for MS but an OSX update is less of a significant update than a Windows major version.

What is funny is the support status of Win10 1507 (non-LTSB) where they provided extra months of updates but did not extend the official deadline beyond May.
"ChromeOS is not included for logistical reasons."

It would be interesting to hear why logistics prevent reporting this. And it would be REALLY interesting to see the ChromeOS figures.

I keep hearing the free upgrade to Windows 10 is over, but I have no problem downloading the latest ISO, installing and activating it.