"We went to Zabriskie Point to see Venus appear. Michael placed speakers all around us, as no one else was there, and we listened to Elisabeth Schwarzkopf sing Richard Strauss’s, Four Last Songs. I saw tears in Foucault’s eyes. We went into one of the hollows and laid on our backs, like James Turrell’s volcano,[1] and watched Venus come forth and the stars come out later. We stayed at Zabriskie Point for about ten hours. Michael also played Charles Ives’s, Three Places in New England, and Stockhausen’s Kontakte, along with some Chopin…."
That sounds like a fantastic evening even without the LSD.
The referenced [1] link to Roden Crater doesn't work for me, presumably due to the www. But http://rodencrater.com works fine.
Everyone should take time to read about Foucault's support for the Iranian revolution (publishing sympathetic articles about the rebels in the French press), and apologetics for Sharia law. He used to make regular trips to Iran before the revolution. Not after though of course, because he was an openly gay man and they would have had to serve him a death penalty.
He was the prototype for the sort moral compass-less creature of the void we see haunting university Philosophy departments today. Very tragic figure.
If you find yourself being drawn in by some of his words I recommend listening to some Jordan Peterson lectures regarding postmodernism as a counterbalance.
First hand account of that apocryphal story about Foucault dropping acid in the California desert. That first photograph, though. Looks like the cover of an Aldous Huxley novel or an issue of Omni Magazine ;)
Here's the paragraph from Logigue de sens where extolls the virtues of a successful trip:
"One can easily see how LSD inverts relations between ill humour, stupidity and thought; no sooner has it short-circuited the suzerainty of categories than it tears away the ground from its indifference and reduces to nothing the glum mimicry of stupidity; not only does it reveal this whole univocal and a-catagorical mass to be rainbow-coloured, mobile, asymmetrical, decentered, spiraloid and resonating; it makes it swarm constantly with event-fantasies; sliding across this surface, which is at once punctiform and immensely vibratory, thought, freed from its catatonic chrysalis, has always contemplated the infinite equivalence which has become an acute event and a sumptuously adorned repetition."
A lot of those terms read evocative, but are actually technical terms in Deleuze's philosophy (and that of his predecessors).
Deleuze is hard to understand because joining his world takes work. He's very precise.
I don't even know why Deleuze is being connected to Foucault here. Those two helped market each other and had one political project in common (something re: abuse of power in prisons; but even Sartre was involved in this cause celèbre). But Foucault was a globe-trotter pleasure-seeker who got AIDS in the saunas of San Francisco and supported the Ayatollah's revolution. Deleuze on the other hand came from an ultra-conservative catholic background, was married only once to the mom of his kids, hated travel and probably never left France, and by all accounts was a great dad and husband.
Whenever Deleuze writes about drugs in extension, he preaches prudence -- it's a particular example in the wider concept framework of deterritorialization and the "body without organs". Hardcore masochists (yes, there's quite some sexual moralism in Deleuze) and drug addicts are those who do it too much, without the proper prudence and understanding.
> Deleuze is hard to understand because joining his world takes work. He's very precise.
That's a tautology-- "Deleuze is hard to understand" is a restatement of "joining his world takes work." The question is-- why does it take so much work?
Sometimes it's easier to fill in the blanks with commonsense ideas, yes. Much philosophy is deliberately obscure precisely to avoid that.
Deleuze (or Leibniz, Nietzsche, Heidegger...) are not out to persuade you of any particularly easily-digestible position. Their whole project is to make you think.
> Deleuze (or Leibniz, Nietzsche, Heidegger...) are not out to persuade you of any particularly easily-digestible position.
I'm not asking about the writing of Neitzshe, Heidegger, nor Leibniz.
There was a claim that Deleuze's writing is difficult, which I assume to have meant on top of the normal difficulties of working out the cogency of philosophical arguments. Otherwise the response would have been "philosophy is difficult," rather than referring specifically to "Deleuze's world."
Well, Deleuze uses words that sound exciting and already have commonsense language connotations (rhizomes! lines of flight! war machines!). This has the effect of attracting intellectually curious persons but also putting some intellectually mature people off.
Then, Deleuze is misused a lot. But so is quantum theory.
There was a comment here by one 'minitel' (a new, probably throw-away account) on Foucault's support for the Iranian revolution and the fact that the post-modern movement - for whom Foucault is one of the prime thinkers - is currently making headway into academia, mostly within the humanities but their reach seems to be spreading. Given that this article deals with Foucault it is relevant to identify where Foucalt's work currently stands in society. The author pointed at Jordan Peterson - a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto who ended up as the focal point of a discussion on the use of 'gender-neutral' pronouns due to his refusal to use what he described as politically-motivated, state-mandated non-sensical words. Peterson has gone on a crusade against postmodernism which he claims to be an extension of Marxism. For those who want to inform themselves on the criticism against postmodernism Peterson's explanations are a good starting point. He gave a lecture at Harvard titled "Mask of Compassion, Post-modernism and neo-marxism" where he clearly sets out his criticism against this philosophy:
> Jordan Peterson - a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto who ended up as the focal point of a discussion on the use of 'gender-neutral' pronouns due to his refusal to use what he described as politically-motivated, state-mandated non-sensical words.
What he actually did was protest adding "gender identity or expression" to the CHRA. You can read the entire legislative change at http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/royal-as..., it's quite short, and completely unobjectionable to anyone who's not making a living protesting a "neo-Marxist" bogeyman.
Would you please keep this sort of topical ideological boilerplate off HN? It isn't interesting except to a small minority of users who enjoy sniping back and forth about repetitive things.
This is an example of why we added the following to the HN guidelines:
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[ 3.6 ms ] story [ 94.5 ms ] threadThat sounds like a fantastic evening even without the LSD.
The referenced [1] link to Roden Crater doesn't work for me, presumably due to the www. But http://rodencrater.com works fine.
http://newpol.org/content/revisiting-foucault-and-iranian-re...
He was the prototype for the sort moral compass-less creature of the void we see haunting university Philosophy departments today. Very tragic figure.
If you find yourself being drawn in by some of his words I recommend listening to some Jordan Peterson lectures regarding postmodernism as a counterbalance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf2nqmQIfxc
Here's the paragraph from Logigue de sens where extolls the virtues of a successful trip:
"One can easily see how LSD inverts relations between ill humour, stupidity and thought; no sooner has it short-circuited the suzerainty of categories than it tears away the ground from its indifference and reduces to nothing the glum mimicry of stupidity; not only does it reveal this whole univocal and a-catagorical mass to be rainbow-coloured, mobile, asymmetrical, decentered, spiraloid and resonating; it makes it swarm constantly with event-fantasies; sliding across this surface, which is at once punctiform and immensely vibratory, thought, freed from its catatonic chrysalis, has always contemplated the infinite equivalence which has become an acute event and a sumptuously adorned repetition."
Deleuze is hard to understand because joining his world takes work. He's very precise.
I don't even know why Deleuze is being connected to Foucault here. Those two helped market each other and had one political project in common (something re: abuse of power in prisons; but even Sartre was involved in this cause celèbre). But Foucault was a globe-trotter pleasure-seeker who got AIDS in the saunas of San Francisco and supported the Ayatollah's revolution. Deleuze on the other hand came from an ultra-conservative catholic background, was married only once to the mom of his kids, hated travel and probably never left France, and by all accounts was a great dad and husband.
Whenever Deleuze writes about drugs in extension, he preaches prudence -- it's a particular example in the wider concept framework of deterritorialization and the "body without organs". Hardcore masochists (yes, there's quite some sexual moralism in Deleuze) and drug addicts are those who do it too much, without the proper prudence and understanding.
That's a tautology-- "Deleuze is hard to understand" is a restatement of "joining his world takes work." The question is-- why does it take so much work?
Deleuze (or Leibniz, Nietzsche, Heidegger...) are not out to persuade you of any particularly easily-digestible position. Their whole project is to make you think.
Thinking is not comfortable, I know.
I'm not asking about the writing of Neitzshe, Heidegger, nor Leibniz.
There was a claim that Deleuze's writing is difficult, which I assume to have meant on top of the normal difficulties of working out the cogency of philosophical arguments. Otherwise the response would have been "philosophy is difficult," rather than referring specifically to "Deleuze's world."
Then, Deleuze is misused a lot. But so is quantum theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urd0IK0WEWU
What he actually did was protest adding "gender identity or expression" to the CHRA. You can read the entire legislative change at http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/royal-as..., it's quite short, and completely unobjectionable to anyone who's not making a living protesting a "neo-Marxist" bogeyman.
Why not, I dunno, express oneself as a human being as opposed by their gender?
Assuming equality is the end play of course and not some war of the genders...
Enumerating protected rights is the easiest way to protect them.
http://www.cba.org/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=be34d5a4-8850-...
This is an example of why we added the following to the HN guidelines:
Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
this debate with chomsky on human nature is interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wfNl2L0Gf8