And now we are basically told that these actual sufferers described in the article are "colonial oppressors" and sometimes "bigots", equally responsible for whatever is pegged on them.
Somebody have found an excellent way to distribute their responsibility on the whole population when amassing even more wealth for themself.
In Spain they collaborated in the kidnapping of dozens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of children from their mothers: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15335899
Residential schools basically still exist in America. They're more about making money now but still have very similar problems with developing an identity and abuse.
If there's one minute fraction of a good thing to come out of this it's generational change that is now both ignoring and wrestling control of education & politics from the Irish Catholic Church.
It is all I can do to bite my tongue when I receive questioning looks from elder relatives for not going to church, not getting married in a 'real church' etc etc.
I respect my elders but I can't square the circle that is their tacit acceptance of the evils the church has done in Ireland.
Maybe it's a matter of being in the south Dublin bubble, but I can't think of anyone I know that is religious (aside from a vague cultural identity sense). For the most part I hear the church regarded with scorn.
Is it really money gathered by good catholics, or is it effectively money from the state coffers that people of faith get, cross over and then pass as their own?
Truncate their funding and suddently you have 10% of catholic schools instead of 90%. There's zero reasons why general populace should baptise church in their tax money.
The vague cultural identity can have fairly concrete impacts though - baptisims, kids making their first communion in school thus religious instruction, Church control of schools etc.
My wife is expecting our first child in a few weeks - I expect to go from the registrar office with his birth cert straight to the two nearest Educate Together schools.
I am not so sure this will fix the problem. The Catholic Church had access to children, people that would take advantage of it sought the positions where they could exploit such power. Places where governments run schools have the same problem...the evil people that will exploit such power and positions always manage to find their way in...and then the organizations tend to always struggle with getting rid of such persons. The problem is with human nature. The only way to reduce (you will never eliminate) such problems is to deal with the violators with certain, swift and harsh punishments (death). You put a lot of blame on the Catholic Church (not that you shouldn't) - but where has the Irish government stepped in and purged the violators?
> The only way to reduce (you will never eliminate) such problems is to deal with the violators with certain, swift and harsh punishments (death). You put a lot of blame on the Catholic Church (not that you shouldn't) - but where has the Irish government stepped in and purged the violators?
If only Fine Gael had a Rodrigo Duterte on the back benches..
Not exactly the same, but there are kids suffering the same and worse conditions right now in orphanages throughout eastern Europe - Belarus, Romania, Russia.
In the case of Russia, I was mostly thinking of it's treatment of disabled kids by the state. Up to 30% of russian disabled children are institutionalized - maybe orphanage is not the right word.
Yes I can see how it is a problem. Not many people want to adopt a disabled child, and people will often reject heavily disabled babies after birth. It's not an easy problem to tackle.
Iceland shows promise in this respect, where they now have essentially zero Down syndrome babies thanks to screening.
> Russia should stop abuse of children with disabilities in state care
they write, but it seems impossible to me. How would you make overworked and irritated workers of institutions truly care about emotional well-being of their subjects?
I'm afraid we are still having this all across the world, in the form of child protection services.
People who, contrary to their naming, only care about taking children from their parents and putting them in institutions or redistributing them to foster parents.
Whatever tiny grain of trust I had in them burned in many scandals they get themself in and then failed to get out properly.
Yet the whole world still celebrate St. Patricks day every year, the culprit who forced that plague on Ireland. I'd love to live in an Ireland that people celebrated by dancing over fires and worshipping the sun. That sounds like a much happier place. Can't we just have paganism back and detoxify ourselves of the catholic church?
I'm not sure that blaming St. Patricks is constructive. After all, the whole Europe was christian and there wasn't any available second option. You could definitely have it worse when done by entirely outside forces.
The question is what to do with the heritage here and now.
And yes, you can have paganism back, individually.
Pagans didn't have that love of misery of Catholicism, the glorification of pain, that ecstasy of suffering, that leads to so much masochism and sadism.
But yeah, besides that, you're right. Hell, a Cardinal in my (European) country just said we should pray for rain. Maybe we should do a dance /s
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Somebody have found an excellent way to distribute their responsibility on the whole population when amassing even more wealth for themself.
It is all I can do to bite my tongue when I receive questioning looks from elder relatives for not going to church, not getting married in a 'real church' etc etc.
I respect my elders but I can't square the circle that is their tacit acceptance of the evils the church has done in Ireland.
Things like this may help - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/school-baptism-bar... - though for all that I just added my daughter to an educate together waitlist. She's two months old.
I wonder where those get money to operate from.
Is it really money gathered by good catholics, or is it effectively money from the state coffers that people of faith get, cross over and then pass as their own?
Truncate their funding and suddently you have 10% of catholic schools instead of 90%. There's zero reasons why general populace should baptise church in their tax money.
From the 50 odd primary schools listed here as being ins South Dublin a quick read through puts a majority as religious run schools just based on the name: https://www.schooldays.ie/primary-schools-in-ireland/primary...
My wife is expecting our first child in a few weeks - I expect to go from the registrar office with his birth cert straight to the two nearest Educate Together schools.
If only Fine Gael had a Rodrigo Duterte on the back benches..
Ranking 6 year olds' right to go to a school by proximity and denominational affiliation is wrong, and every parent feels it.
Personally, I think we should rebuild monto. Legion OF Mary can pay for it.
(On the other hand, people are reluctant to adopt teenagers who are otherwise entitled to free apartment as they come of age)
Expect Belarus to be the same but not sure about Ukraine.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/09/15/abandoned-state/violen...
Iceland shows promise in this respect, where they now have essentially zero Down syndrome babies thanks to screening.
> Russia should stop abuse of children with disabilities in state care
they write, but it seems impossible to me. How would you make overworked and irritated workers of institutions truly care about emotional well-being of their subjects?
People who, contrary to their naming, only care about taking children from their parents and putting them in institutions or redistributing them to foster parents.
Whatever tiny grain of trust I had in them burned in many scandals they get themself in and then failed to get out properly.
The question is what to do with the heritage here and now.
And yes, you can have paganism back, individually.
But yeah, besides that, you're right. Hell, a Cardinal in my (European) country just said we should pray for rain. Maybe we should do a dance /s
You do ask yourself when people in the US will turn away from nondenominational Baptism, it's about time.