Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?
I don't feel much emotion, if any, when viewing art. I know I'm missing out on a universal experience (http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/03/17/what-universal-human-experiences-are-you-missing-without-realizing-it/).
Has anyone else faced this challenge and overcome it somehow?
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 59.7 ms ] threadI have had a similar "issue", I never understood what do people see in art and why it always seems so hyped up. But just by getting more mature, and exposing yourself to different things and people, your perspective changes. That is what happened to me. I've started to notice that my eyes were getting more and more attracted to visual things. Photographs, paintings, etc. I've started to notice more details, more things came into place, the reason behind some of the works I've seen.
It's just my personal experience. I liked the natural transition. And it's still happening. I think it will never end. But if you're naturally leaning towards it, don't rush it. It's art. You don't have to understand it to love it, but over time you'll love it even more as it reveals itself.
I find that good art is actually a way of crystallizing and capturing emotions of a period of time. Many of those emotions don't resonate with us as they were in some period of history unfamiliar with us.
Music tends to capture emotions much better. There's the anger in Eminem's music, the helplessness of Linkin Park, the depression of Nirvana, ambition and energy of Queen.
Art paintings and sculptures tends to target art viewers. It's not meant to just be beautiful but say something. Like memes, they much of it is a fresh take on a common thought of the period. But looking at it as an outsider, they're hard to get.
You might appreciate architecture more. There are things like animated sculptures or huge ones crafted from steel. Or things more subtle, playing with light.
Or if you want things that captures and enhances natural beauty, photography and food is a kind of art too.
But what I find to be the rawest kind of art is war memorials. The most memorable art experience for me was visiting war memorials in Canberra. You can also go to places like Holocaust museums.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b072n5xp
There's a bunch of stuff that we used to think was universal but we've relatively recently found out isn't. One example would be "forming mental images of things".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34039054
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10148792
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11554894
Is there nothing at all that provokes any reaction? No film that triggers anything?
Wanna know what changed me a lot? Diverse friend circle, drugs and listening to Kanye West. Those things taught me to look at life in a different way, appreciate the emotion and experiences they capture or try to evoke. I love art now. I got a huge basquiat canvas on my wall (not an original ofc) and a bunch of paintings by artists that aren't remotely popular.
Go to a museum and take a guided tour where they talk about the artists. You should start to feel intellectual curiosity at the very least.
Second best advice I can give is to not try to "figure art out". Don't try to assign deep meaning to a piece that you think should have it. Yes, lots of art works on multiple levels - in concept and in execution - but none of that matters if you can't connect with art in the first place.
Personally, the first time I ever saw a Mark Rothko painting in person create a seismic shift in my understanding of art and more specifically painting.
To me, viewing art is like listening to music you really love. You will know immediately if you enjoy the piece, and will learn to appreciate it more and more every time you look at (or listen to) it.
People get too hung up on the "meaning" of art. What is the "meaning" of your favorite song? My guess is that your connection to your favorite song is rooted in familiarity, nostalgia, or pure enjoyment, and not in the literal meaning of the lyrics (although that is entirely possible!).
Go and see art in person. Looking at it through a computer screen is bad for you and bad for artists. Go to local gallery openings, museums, or art studios.
One of the books I read was "What Are You Looking At?: 150 Years of Modern Art in the Blink of an Eye", by Will Gompertz[0].
It's fantastic! The book is great at making you "get" art, and it's significance. Art is not so much about "emotion" as it is about showing and telling the same things in a different way. Or just doing something completely different!
[0]https://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Are-You-Looking-At/dp/06709204...
Just two examples to make it clear:
High Art vs Low Art (kitsch):
https://www.documenta.de/en/retrospective/documenta_5
Going new Ways and influence Art (kurt schwitters):
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schwitters#Influences
And two Sites, that can give you a good sart:
http://onlinekurs.staedelmuseum.de/en/
https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning
Read John Berger' Way of Seeing.
There's also a thick nearly opaque wall of posturing involved, so that talking about art is often an anxious display of cultural capital.
Learning to love art, like learning to love wine, is heavily tied up with class and the attempt to "understand" the acquired tastes of the upper middle class.
Staring at paintings in exhibition rooms or museums is also a very unnatural thing for a human being to do. Great art from the past wasn't made to be "exhibited" like that, it was usually part of a context, from which it was later extracted, or literally stolen.
You can think of a painting in terms of "how would this subtle affect my mood if I hung it on the east wall of my living room?" That's a function of art, too, and probably a more authentic and real one. A lot of art was made to hang in churches for inspiration, so if you're inspired by religion, that's a whole thing.
Maybe you'd like to try going to a museum of history and viewing some ancient everyday tools, coins, and jewelry. Those are things that were carried around by people or kept in their homes, and people wouldn't usually stand around staring at them and admiring them, so you're not experiencing them as they did, and there's no need to feel "emotion" in any romantic or dramatic sense... but those artifacts are still very interesting, beautiful, and provoking the imagination.
You can also be interested in paintings in this way. Go to an art museum, find a painting that seems interesting in some way, not necessarily because it overwhelms you with feelings, but maybe just because it seems odd, strange, or curious... Or you just don't understand it.
Then you can realize that a single painting, because it contains so much information in the whole tapestry of its context and history, is like a portal into another world that you can explore, if you want to... and that's kind of amazing.
I think the idea of a painting as a radiant artifact that makes people swoon with awe is pretty strange, and possibly only applies to people with a certain abnormal genetic kind of synaesthesia.
Van Gogh painted a lot of scenes from nature, because he loved nature, and walked a lot in the countryside. What I think is amazing about Van Gogh is that he paints those scenes not just as "beautiful" in a simple sense, but sometimes in a way that makes the landscape looks lonely, sad, or even distorted in a strangely vivid and almost scary way.
I doubt Van Gogh himself would say that his paintings "lived up" to the lived experience of being in the countryside during a sunset, say. But they mirror it in an interesting way, and having seen those paintings, one can see the countryside in a somewhat different way, or with more complex resonances.
His letters are fascinating to read. Some quotes:
“What I want to express, in both figure and landscape, isn’t anything sentimental or melancholy, but deep anguish. In short, I want to get to the point where people say of my work: that man feels deeply, that man feels keenly.”
“Many a worker in a factory or shop has had a strange, beautiful and pious youth. But city life sometimes removes ‘the early dew of the morning.’ Even so, the longing for ‘the old, old story’ remains. What is at the bottom of the heart stays at the bottom of the heart.”
“What am I in the eyes of most people – a nonentity or an eccentric or an obnoxious person – someone who has no position in society and never will have, in short the lowest o...
Thanks for your great reply. I think I might read about Van Gogh and try to understand him now. I saw some of his paintings at the MET, my girlfriend was blown away but I was pretty meh at the time. Perhaps I can understand more from his words
I also didn't have an internet connection at home nor a smartphone, so it was really easy to build new interests, not being dopaminergically tethered to the world wide web...
So I decided to get a "museumkaart" which is a cheap way for residents to get endless museum access for a whole year, and to write a little journal about a museum every weekend.
Because I'm a kind of obsessive personality and I didn't have anything else to do I ended up reading quite a bit of whatever relevant stuff I could find to flesh out the journal entries, and that's why I read the Van Gogh letters!
So yeah, I also recommend finding a way to be more disconnected from the internet on evenings and weekends. :)
Show someone an image of the Statue of David and it's not that interesting. But see it in person. The immenseness of it. The detail that went into it. See these other statues nearby, like stone timelapse photos. The whole thing is quite fascinating (intellectually) and can be quite emotionally moving (not in the sense that it brought me to tears, but more of an awestruck feeling seeing this work).
These are the ones I was thinking of.
art is also like music, if there is ANY music you like, then there is an ART you will like.
last. don't feel weird not getting or liking art. you are coming at it from wrong angle.
Another thing to consider is that art isn't just paintings in a museum. It can be photographs, sculptures, architecture, images created on a computer and never printed, movies, music, etc. Maybe some other medium just matches your personality better.
If you think you really don't enjoy art you should check out Maurizio Cattelan. His work is pretty amusing and pokes fun at what people tend to think of as art.
1. Look for art that you connect with. Some people weep at the sight of a Rothko, overcome by emotion, others say, "what the hell?"
2. Find a guide. There are bad art classes but there are also great teachers who can help you learn to see the "art" in the art. When I started I hated Shakespeare but after learning to read the language it is now filled with endless beauty
3. Consider what in the world inspires you emotionally. A loved one, mathematical concepts, food? Whatever it is that moves you probably has art that it has inspired. Seek it out.
4. Sometimes the spark of emotion gets buried pretty deep. At least 2 engineer friends have told me they have trouble with humor because their training has taught them to dissect things in a very linear and methodical fashion. If that fits you try let go of some of that from time to time.
5. If you have ever been choked up by a TV commercial or a news story or a film think about why and seek out art that explores those topics.
Best of luck to you. There is a lot of art out there from Peking opera to Gregorian chants and from Chuck Close to Goya. You'll find your groove!!!
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Yet I really don't have an emotional connection with art (there are exceptions, but this is rare). I hold a few things I've made dear to me but would sell them in an instant. I don't think this is in any way necessary. Whatever you feel - or don't - is just how you see it.
But I like art, overall, especially surrealism, fantasy, and abstract work. I think they are neat to look at when done well. I'm sometimes in awe of well-done landscapes, portraits, still life paintings, and things depicting current events and situations. I don't really enjoy these, though, since I find such images boring after a while. In fact, I'm the type of artist that would make something up if someone insists on "getting" my art or asks me to explain a few things. Or refuse to explain altogether. I know folks expect this stuff, so I'm prepared to jump into that role if it ever becomes actually necessary, even though I know it would be a farce.
It is OK not to have emotion. It is OK to like art because you find the image interesting to look at. Because you find it neat, pretty, absurd, or whatever. So long as it captures your attention, that's enough. Regardless of what an article says.
All that said, though, if you want an emotional connection, I suggest learning about art. See a lot of examples, read up on what artists have written about their own work or the reactions of critics and regular folks that saw the work. Look up "classic" popular artists, look up not-so-popular artists.
Expand into other fields. Maybe visual art isn't what you connect to- maybe you find your connection with music or poetry. Maybe you find you are a sucker for good animation (old Disney films have watercolor backgrounds and Dali did some work with Disney: Newer animations are marvels of digital animation at times). Once you have a feel for your preferences, explore how you think and feel when you look/listen/read what you like.
Whatever that last one is - the things you think and feel, however it changes - is your emotional reaction.