Getting past the flowery writing style, I can't help but wonder why we Americans are all required to believe that immigration is healthy and important with this evidence that scarcity of jobs for people to do has made life a living hell for millions of people.
I also wonder what educational opportunities the author passed up. I am not a good judge, though. I grew up poor but maybe I was merely lucky to get where I am now. Hard to say. I do remember all the years of crap jobs and few prospects and all the idiots I had to work with--especially the stoners at the country club groundskeeping crew. Thanks for being interesting nutters, though, guys.
Immigration is a divisive topic worldwide right now.
Internal political discord is occurring all over the world in the form of nationalist and populists movements including europe, india, south korea, japan, and america.
> Getting past the flowery writing style, I can't help but wonder why we Americans are all required to believe that immigration is healthy and important with this evidence that scarcity of jobs for people to do has made life a living hell for millions of people.
The summary: in 2011, Georgia passed a law to crack down on illegal immigrants working in farming jobs. Georgia's unemployment rate was still fairly high (just a few years post-recession), so "obviously" now that the illegals weren't taking those jobs, they could go to citizens right?
Nope. Georgia farmers' crops withered and died on the vine, costing hundreds of millions of dollars because even unemployed people don't want, and didn't take, those jobs. And Americans don't want to pay the kinds of food prices that would be required to pay wages at which Americans would take the jobs.
I guess the usual argument in similar situations is that the market will eventually adjust by raising food prices or that people don't desire food enough to pay the prices.
That's true. And it would free Georgia farmers from unprofitable farmwork so they can do something higher value like programming :-). At least that's what people in other industries would get told.
How much of that work is seasonal, though? Barring some fancy hydroponics, you can't be picking fruit in the same town for 50 weeks a year.
Given that people can't just stop eating or renting during the off-season (and may not be willing to go out-of-state) perhaps the issue is that there's not enough gap-filling local work to make for a year-round career.
When you are poor, then every DECENT and legal job is fine.
People say that there is not job and its not true. If you find then you could get. However, most jobs are crap but crap that its legal and decent. My first job was 12h x 7 days, however, i enjoyed and earned money. In my second job, i doubled my salary and so on.
There are a lot of people that simply don't want to work. Usually the first job is crap. But most people want a perfect job without having the degree, experience and expertise.
I see the “decent” qualifier in your comment, but I think the point of this article is that “decent” working conditions may rarely be an option for many poor people.
E.g., some have so few options that cleaning asbestos without adequate protection may be the only thing they can get paid to do on a given day.
Great organizations hire their own janitors into full-time roles.
The short-term-profit seeking that's become pervasive in our economy heavily discourages any hiring you can out-source (and similarly discourages any R&D that won't pay out this quarter).
Organizations that outsource all but their "core competencies" to temp agencies will remain fully incompetent outside their core, and due to extra layer of employment abstraction, they have little chance of seeing a cross-pollination between folks in the undervalued roles they outsource, and overvalued roles they hire for.
We just changed from a cleaning agency to two full time cleaners and it was a great move.
Rather than having an agency that has a specific list of things they will clean (and nothing outside of that unless you negotiate with the agency), the cleaners just have the goal of making the office a nice place for our staff.
That means they can feel free to use their initiative to make the office not just clean but also tidy.
You can never force your employers or subcontractors take pride in their work. From experience it's mostly an issue of how the hiring organization views itself, or the guy/gal in charge of it.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see the author comment on a positive aspect of the experience. That is usually not done, or, worse, is done in a manner that negates the overarching point that this a net negative.
It's a good read, but I have my reservations about pieces like this. It wallows in the experience, making of human suffering entertainment, often for better off people who will never experience such. Meanwhile, for all that it provides criticisms, it doesn't suggest solutions. And that makes me uncomfortably aware of the possibility that the article itself is one more means for the most desperate and destitute to be used for the benefit of the relatively comfortably well off.
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[ 7.2 ms ] story [ 59.2 ms ] threadI also wonder what educational opportunities the author passed up. I am not a good judge, though. I grew up poor but maybe I was merely lucky to get where I am now. Hard to say. I do remember all the years of crap jobs and few prospects and all the idiots I had to work with--especially the stoners at the country club groundskeeping crew. Thanks for being interesting nutters, though, guys.
Internal political discord is occurring all over the world in the form of nationalist and populists movements including europe, india, south korea, japan, and america.
Here's one piece of evidence to help you understand why we believe it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-.... It's not the whole reason, but it'll get you started on your journey of discovery.
The summary: in 2011, Georgia passed a law to crack down on illegal immigrants working in farming jobs. Georgia's unemployment rate was still fairly high (just a few years post-recession), so "obviously" now that the illegals weren't taking those jobs, they could go to citizens right?
Nope. Georgia farmers' crops withered and died on the vine, costing hundreds of millions of dollars because even unemployed people don't want, and didn't take, those jobs. And Americans don't want to pay the kinds of food prices that would be required to pay wages at which Americans would take the jobs.
Amusingly, five years on and Georgia still hasn't figured this out: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-06/crops-rot... I wonder how many billions of dollars in crops have to die before they get the message.
Given that people can't just stop eating or renting during the off-season (and may not be willing to go out-of-state) perhaps the issue is that there's not enough gap-filling local work to make for a year-round career.
When you are poor, then every DECENT and legal job is fine.
People say that there is not job and its not true. If you find then you could get. However, most jobs are crap but crap that its legal and decent. My first job was 12h x 7 days, however, i enjoyed and earned money. In my second job, i doubled my salary and so on.
There are a lot of people that simply don't want to work. Usually the first job is crap. But most people want a perfect job without having the degree, experience and expertise.
And if you can't find a job then join the army.
E.g., some have so few options that cleaning asbestos without adequate protection may be the only thing they can get paid to do on a given day.
The short-term-profit seeking that's become pervasive in our economy heavily discourages any hiring you can out-source (and similarly discourages any R&D that won't pay out this quarter).
Organizations that outsource all but their "core competencies" to temp agencies will remain fully incompetent outside their core, and due to extra layer of employment abstraction, they have little chance of seeing a cross-pollination between folks in the undervalued roles they outsource, and overvalued roles they hire for.
edit: I can't help but be reminded of this interesting article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/upshot/to-understand-risi...
Rather than having an agency that has a specific list of things they will clean (and nothing outside of that unless you negotiate with the agency), the cleaners just have the goal of making the office a nice place for our staff.
That means they can feel free to use their initiative to make the office not just clean but also tidy.
It’s made a big difference in just a few weeks.
It's a good read, but I have my reservations about pieces like this. It wallows in the experience, making of human suffering entertainment, often for better off people who will never experience such. Meanwhile, for all that it provides criticisms, it doesn't suggest solutions. And that makes me uncomfortably aware of the possibility that the article itself is one more means for the most desperate and destitute to be used for the benefit of the relatively comfortably well off.