Ask HN: Why do the things you are most afraid of?

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I have noticed a common theme in all the personal development articles. Do the things are you are most afraid of or if you have to choose between two then pick the solution that seems harder.

Has anyone done this successfully ? Can you share examples ? What would be the scientific reason behind this ?

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Well, it's hard to say for business/science, but for example in sports it's recommended to start with the hardest things because your energy runs out or you are at higher risk of injury if you do them later.

Example: triathlon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triathlon

Swimming first - cause if you are really tired you have higher odds of drowning.

Cycling after - cause if you're really tired you might fall off at high speed, run into something, again, at high speed, therefore possibly hurting yourself badly.

Running last - cause you have the lowest risk of injuring yourself seriously if something bad happens.

I guess the guiding principle would be "fail fast". Do the hard stuff first cause if you can't do it you have time to recover. And obviously, if you manage to do it, congrats, everything else is smooth sailing.

The choice of swimming is more about race management. If you have people mass start a 750m or even ironman then you know everyone is out the water by a given time, say 1:30 for IM

Swim last means a race organiser has no control over when people arrive at the water and it can be spread over hours

Once you do it you'll realize there was nothing to be afraid of in the first place.
You may also find out that there was good reason to be afraid.
And then you will be able to base future decisions on fact instead of fear...of course this only works so far. There are obviously some things you really SHOULD be afraid of.
I am just starting to get annoyed by the typical self help advice like "Take risks", "Do what you fear the most". There are people who succeed that way but for plenty of people it doesn't work not so well. Unfortunately you only hear from the former group.
I'm still afraid of snakes and heights and I have done a ton of things with both.
It's related to schlep blindness: http://paulgraham.com/schlep.html

When you're averse to something, you don't even tend to think of it as a possibility, even when it would be the best solution to your current problems.

Anecdotally, I've found that doing a thing I'm afraid of dramatically expands my mental universe of available options, which helps me get better in all important facets of my life - business, dating, friendships, etc.

oh perfect, thanks for sharing this. Haven't read this one
Why do the things you are most afraid of?.... pick the solution that seems harder

"Because there is no growth in comfort."

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but why ? Why can't the brain be trained to look at options logically and do it from the comfort zone.
You can't use logic to change your mind about something that isn't logical in the first place. If you have irrational fears, and we all do, the only way to train yourself out of them is to do the thing that fears you and have nothing bad happen. Eventually the stimulus providing the fear will have less effect.
"if you have to choose between two then pick the solution that seems harder" seems like terrible advice. Productivity comes from avoiding wasted effort, so doing the harder thing would quite often make you less productive (https://codewithoutrules.com/2017/10/04/technical-skills-pro... talks about avoiding wasted work).

Different domains have different requirements, other comments suggest this is fine advice for sports.

Perhaps the original was "do the solution that will teach you the most"? But even then, there are cases where learning is not a goal.

"Do the thing you're most afraid of" has some caveats, presumably, like "where the actual worst case is not dying." Like, I'm afraid of being hit by a car if I run through a red light, so not planning on running red lights.

I think the closest meaning would be more in line with a quote I've heard attributed to Mark Twain: "If it's your job to eat a frog, it's best to do it first thing in the morning. And If it's your job to eat two frogs, it's best to eat the biggest one first."
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If your comfort zone isn't expanding, it's contracting.
It's an obviously over simple answer to a complex issue. But fear can cloud our judgment, so try to think about things rationally and decide if it might be worth taking the leap on a case by case basis.

That doesn't sound as catchy as the fortune cookie version, but it's better advice IMHO.

Interesting so fear could be clouding something that you should be doing in the first place. I wonder if this can be put in scientific term.
My Story:

Scared of Snakes: Held snakes my at many different times. My older brother even had a pet snake. My dad had a store he went to that had dozens of HUGE pythons and I spent a while in there. I STILL HATE SNAKES

Scare of heights (Uncontrollable shakes): At 18 I decided to do roofing for the summer. Climbed up and down ladders for 3 months. I still shake and it didn't get worse.

Positive: I had the self-discipline to still do things that scare me.

Negative: I have no control over the things that still scare me. I can't make them not scary.

Interesting, would you say your fear of snakes improved? You can hate them or does it cause unmanageable distress? Or did it?

For heights is it just ladders? roofs? or does a very tall building (inside) feel the same? What about an airplane? Or a cliff?

So you must hate a certain board game.
Interesting so you still have those fears even after facing them ? Wonder why you still keep doing it if its painful. Whats the point ? Just trying to understand thought process behind it.
Oof, roofing sucks. I'm glad it helped you with your fear of heights though!

Random anecdote, I slowly got used to being high in the air on ski lifts. Kinda frustrating for me because I really wanted to snowboard but HATED the lifts. Still love snowboarding, still hate looking down. ._.

It depends on what you mean by things you are most afraid of. I think these fears can be broken into two classes, one being phobias (fear of heights, public speaking etc) which are more "irrational" fears, and the other being events that provoke anxiety stemming from fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) which are very rational fears. The former are not really necessary to deal with unless they negatively impact your quality of life (and they mostly just get solved through desensitization via repeat exposure anyway); the latter are absolutely worth dealing with proactively and logically.

Fundamentally, people are afraid of events associated with FUD because they perceive that dealing with them will yield emotional trauma, failure, negative social outcomes, or all of the above. Frequently this is based on past negative outcomes in trying to deal with these problems or watching others fail in trying to deal with these problems, so a defense mechanism gets built up which tries to avoid the context all together via anxiety, procrastination, or denial.

In my experience, almost all of my fears associated with FUD have significantly negatively affected my quality of life, and contrary to my emotional reactions and assumptions, I have dramatically improved my quality of life by tackling them. These would include fears surrounding starting a business; career changes; sexual desires; dating and relationships; acknowledging health problems; conflict at work; and acknowledging psych defects, biases, and inefficient models of thinking.

The way I tend to approach these problems is by logically deconstructing the problem into it's component parts without emotion, finding best practice ways of tackling each component, and trying to implement that methodology as to give me the highest probability for success. I also find it helpful to enlist close friends for emotional support and to see how they have dealt with similar problems in the past. While I stumbled frequently with this technique and did indeed experience short term unhappiness, in the long term I was able to successfully deal with most of my major problems which made me substantially happier.

Take things in context, i.e. when faced with jumping off the airplane with or without parachute, you definitely want to choose the safer option.

When people talk about choosing the harder path, it's normally around finding your weakness and fix it, or at least be able to admit and be comfortable with your shortcomings. Having too many insecurities make you mentally weak.

There is also greater sense of accomplishment after succeeding something hard.

On more practical side, every now and then, life presents you an easy choice and a hard choice, like starting a new venture versus staying at a comfortable job; cutting down on expenses to stay focused on school versus work more hours on a menial job for better material comfort; follow others versus taking charge. The harder choices normally have better rewards.

Again, take things in context, use your critical thinking to understand your choices, don't just apply advises blindly.

I took a teaching position on a whim and I was deathly afraid of public speaking. The first 3 classes or so I just about had a panic attack before each class. However by the end of the semester everything was running smooth and I'm no longer afraid of public speaking in any context.

Overcoming irrational fears is a huge part of personal development.

This is a great example, I am just trying to understand why this works and what is scientifically behind this ?
I sometimes wear contact lenses. When I first started wearing them it took me over an hour to get them in. It was so hard to keep my eye open and put the lens in.

Over the weeks and months I slowly got better at it. Now I can literally touch my finger to my eyeball without flinching. The exact scientific reason for that, I don't know, but I did train my brain to stop reflexively closing my eyes when I go to touch them.

Without a lens on my finger touching my eye actually hurts a little -- so there is a good reason for that reflex in the first place.

I don't know the scientific reasoning but for me it's helped me realize my fears were overblown and most of the things I was too scared to do I had no real reason to be. This made it easier to do those things again.
I try to apply a visualization to fearful situations: I imagine that letting the fear have control is riding an escalator down toward the worst possible results, and there are points along the descent where I can step off to the side by taking action, and therefore prevent the situation from deteriorating.

My even more powerful version of that is seeing that platform of 'took action' is actually right there next to me every second and the moment I act I stop descending to worse situations.

Helping quite a bit to train myself out of fear responses that I've had for decades.

Living organisms have an innate aversion to death. In humans, this fear is partly rooted in a biological basis of the preservation of the body. Even moreso, it is a fear rooted in the death of the ego, the sense of self. Ego anhillation prevents an even more compelling aversion. Ego is the self. Rejection, failure, shame, or anything that would undermine the integrity of the ego, which not only establishes our self worth and self identify of who we are and what we are capable of, it establishes our self in relation to a social world that affirms the value of our self. The ego orients and contextualizes our place in the world, and allows us to intelligently navigate society in a meaningful way, that allows for self preservation.

The only way to grow, to expand your capabilities, is to go beyond your limitations.

Going beyond limitations, into the unknown, into a situation where we lack knowledge and understanding, places you into a place of uncertainty, of metaphorical darkness and chaos.

The only way to illuminate the place beyond and make it know is to go there. This is terrifying, because it involves risk.

You must overcome your ego, which orders the way in which we see the world, and evaluate possibilities that will aid in our survival.

In order to grow, and attain mastery, the ego must collapse, and with it all the ideas of what is possible or impossible, knowable and unknowable.

The ego beyond itself in order to expand into something greater.

You cannot grab hold of the new when you are holding onto the old.

Letting go of the “old” means letting go of everything you thought you new, in order to embrace new experiences that instruct us toward something greater than what we were.

Struggle is essential for personal growth.

Struggle is pain, and pain is a primitive instinct that is always to be avoided.

But if it doesn’t challenge you, it cannot change you.

Most fear is rational according to the prevailing ego who is fearful.

But it underestimates its potential to adapt to the unknown.

Change occurs due to inspiration or desperation.

Evolution requires change.

Sometimes you get to pick your challenges. Sometimes you don’t.

But the only way to adapt and gain strength to overcome obstacles that are perceived to be impossible or insurmountable is to confront that fear and do it anyway.

Once you have courage to step into the darkness, you illuminate it, and embrace and figure out whatever you were unprepared to encounter. This process, while sometimes easy, is most of the time uncomfortable, and challenging.

By persistenting, and making the unknown known, our ego can become stronger, and more adept at handling difficulties.

these are great points , thanks for detail explanation but you are just describing one should do it because this is what everyone says. I am trying to understand why it works and what happens behind the scene.
I am terrified of heights. It does not stop me from hiking up mountains et al.

I used to be terrified of spiders. Various things have helped me get over that, including being a parent. Hunting down large spiders in spite of my fear to protect my kids because that was my duty as a parent plus other parenting experiences has put a stop to that phobia.

I don't actively seek opportunities to face my fears, but I don't shirk my duties or let my fears stop me from having a life or accomplishing goals. Because I'm not their bitch and will not be owned by them.

You can go after your goals or cower in the corner and let your fears unduly limit you. I choose the former, not the latter.

That doesn't mean I won't avoid things I hate if I can. If there is an easy out that doesn't have an objectionable downside I absolutely will take that. It's a case by case judgement call as to what the best answer is.

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Well, you can either live controlled by your fears, obeying them, or stand up to them 'like a boss' and overcome them one-by-one. No different to other unjust, unfair would-be-controllers in life - bullies, bad parents, bad political systems, sociopathic acquaintances etc etc. Cowering helplessly vs 'standing up' to the problem. Saying no! takes courage, but there can be no self-respect without it.

I'm not sure why this is puzzling for you; maybe you are imagining important/useful fears like a pedestrian's fear of being hit by a car.

I don't remember hearing the "pick the harder solution" version before. But Bob Brown (inspirational Australian environmentalist/politician) said "...if ever you are faced with two options, choose the most adventurous." - which makes a lot of sense to me, and maybe is what they meant. Just doing the harder option for no particular reason doesn't make a lot of sense.

I am more interested in reason behind why this happens. I have also experienced it my self but not sure why and if I should always go for the things I fear most.
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This is an example of binary thinking prevalent in self-help books. The scientific reason is, IMNSHO, trying to sell books with simple, easy-to-follow logic, which is irresistible when you're in a dilemma. But it is only a good idea when the consequences of the fear are not so great that you cannot quickly recover.

Are you afraid of being homeless and destitute? Good. That is a good fear to have, and you shouldn't "make it happen." Afraid of jumping off a four-story building? Likewise, good. Afraid of bungee-jumping? That one's questionable, but still not a bad fear. Afraid of asking for a date? Okay, you need to do that one a little so you get over it. Short answer? It depends on the fear and the consequences of failure.

I usually do the thing I am afraid of _if my fear seems irrational_. I have had good success with this: about 70% of the time, I overcome the irrational fear, about 30% of the time, I am still just as afraid later. If my fear is healthy, I leave it alone. So far, I have also had good success with this.

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"pick the solution that seems harder" genuinely seems dumb. But there are some fears that you need to push through. For me, the things I'm most afraid of are killing cyclists and writing.

Avoiding the first one is mostly a matter of which city you live in. Back when I lived in Austin, beyond buying a wide-angle mirror and being attentive, I just had to accept that if I wanted to get groceries, I would need to risk killing a cyclist. Now that I live in London and can take public transport everywhere, I can totally avoid that fear.

With writing, I often run into situations where to accomplish some goal I really care about (getting a new job, applying to mentor kids, etc.) I need to write as a means to that end. There are things I can do to make that easier, but fundamentally I do need to bear the discomfort. I think this is what the articles are actually getting at: when you have some irreducable and unavoidable barrier in front of you, then you need to be able to say to yourself "This is scary; This is uncomfortable; But this is necessary and worth it and I am stronger than I think."

It isn't the only reason, but during my struggle with depression I find it easier to confront things I'm scared of as part of feeling numb. sometimes it helps to feel something rather than nothing at all. coupled with the ideals of "nothing really matters anyways", I've tried to make my apathy useful. I have made progress with my emotions by forcing myself outside of my comfort zone.