Ask HN: Can I be sued for using patented algorithms for in-house stuff?
Nevertheless, I am increasingly concerned with the current crazy patent system in the US and Europe, particularly in this very bellicose industry (medical). I have fully adhered to HN philosophy and completely disregarded the patent system at all. Currently, I don't know if I am infringing anything but that is quite likely.
So, has anyone experience in this scenario? Should I just proceed as planned (release everything), or maybe turn 180 degrees and just hide it under trade secrecy? Or even maybe just man up and deal with all the patent hassle?
In the end, I am just interested in building some cool stuff and benefitting patients (a nice exit in the end would be OK as well). But I just don't want to waste my time tilting at windmills.
<edit>One of the main benefits of the open-sourcing route to me is to characterize prior art if any trolls would come later and try to sue me.</edit>
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[ 3.8 ms ] story [ 28.5 ms ] threadOf course, they need to know (or at least suspect) that you're infringing on their patent before they'll sue you over it...
It depends, and you should consult a qualified attorney if you really need to know.
That said, the US in particular has very broad disclosure rules. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to say that the vast majority of evidence used in civil cases is obtained via disclosure after the lawsuit in question has been filed.
Using patented technology without a license from the patent holder is illegal. On the other hand, you can't be sued unless people know you're doing something wrong. In-house technology that runs afoul of patents is therefore pretty safe, provided all the employees can be trusted... The moment you start exporting your technology, though, you're in trouble.
Making software open source does unfortunately not "avoid the hassle of patents". Whether your software is proprietary or open source, it can't use patents without permission. Conversely, you can hold patents on software distributed as open source -- although there would be precious little point to that, but maybe someone with an original licensing idea can correct me on that. In any case, a lot of licenses (most prominently the GPL) simply forbid this construction: if you release the software as "open", you implicitly grant everyone a license to use whatever patented technology you've included. Obviously, this can only apply to your own patents or patents you're allowed to re-license.
So: if you don't intend to publicize and you're worried about patents -- don't publicize. Conversely, if you do intend to go public, invest in good legal help first that specializes in IP. Checking your product for patents is hard, as is drawing up strategies for dealing with claimants. Nothing would be more disheartening than pouring a lot of effort in a product you will not be able to ship because a third party asks an exorbitant price for their patent use or refuses to license outright. They might buy your product from you, but that doesn't give you a startup.
This is not a question of "manning up", really (it's not like you can study real hard and then you've worked it out), it's one of economics. I have no idea how expensive the patenting business is, but TANSTAAFL in any case.