Should think that "Only fit able-bodied should apply" is simply illegal in many jurisdictions. Would medically-overweight wheelchair-bound black gays be rejected and on which grounds? At least one or two might prevent them entering the "wall sit time" competition... None should be relevant factors for hiring.
To show that they are equally irrelevant to a hire, and excluding someone on medical (eg disability) grounds is as offensive legally in many places for good reasons.
In the US, you cannot discriminate in hiring based on race, religion, sex, age (though IIRC you can discriminate against, if under 40), religion, disability, pregnancy, genetic info, or citizenship. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/ Unless one of those is intrinsically necessary for the job function (e.g. actor, manual labor, military).
It's one thing to restrict sugar at the office, it's another if they actual hire for office jobs based on age, disability, or genetic testing.
How intensely creepy. As maxxxxx said, it sounds like a cult. As DamonHD said the wording sounds flatly illegal under the ADA. So what we have is some vaguely worded bullshit that a fresh law school grad wouldn’t let out of the door.
You can be disabled and still health conscious. Health consciousness is about maximizing your body's health potential - not sidestepping physical realities such as a disabilities. In fact I would say it is probably more important for disabled people to be health conscious than able bodied people - at least there are probably worse health outcomes for disabled people who are also not health conscious vs abled bodied people.
This company does seem really stupid though: I love the end of their pitch where they say 'We believe winners have always won', so submit a brag sheet about everything you've ever done in your life.
Can you be disabled and “able-bodied” though? I mean.. dis-abled... it suggests something else. Even if this is totally legal though, it’s still psychopathic levels of creepy and cultish.
Though I'm not sure I buy into their "winners have always won" hypothesis, I do find the "success by association" part interesting. This usually is discovered in the interview process, but how can it be better discovered in the screening stage?
Hooters only hires big breasted women. Firefighters need to meet physical requirements. What's wrong with being upfront about their cultural requirements?
First time I'm hearing of these guys, however I'm not sure where -- if anywhere -- it says that only fit able-bodied should apply. In fact, the words "fit" and "able" aren't even anywhere in the page. The title of this post is incredibly misleading.
The company seems to have a culture of being incredibly health conscious. I'm very health conscious myself, but yes, to be honest, their method turns me off. However, I'm sure there's people out there that share the culture and values of this startup, and would work well here.
This post just seems to be meant at instigating online fights.
If this is the entire conference room, and you are in a wheelchair, then you can't attend whatever occurs in that room. I imagine you won't be a very productive employee without being able to attend any meetings that occur in the conference room.
> The title of this post is incredibly misleading.
Is it? I mean, when the description of the company indicates "We end most standups with a feats of strengths competition," then "only fit able-bodied should apply" seems like either good advice or a suitably ironic warning, depending on your politics.
People, I think we’re missing some of the other buried gold here. Some highlights:
We do a daily standup where we don't discuss why something is late. Instead we each spend 10 seconds on what we actually shipped today.
So if I’m blocked on Jim, and Jim is shipping his own features and ignoring me, Jim looks good and I look bad. Cool, cool.
A track record of success. We believe winners have always won. All candidates will be asked to submit a 'brag sheet' as part of our interview process. This is a listing of every accomplishment you've ever had. If you won the spelling bee in the 2nd grade we want to know about it, etc.
Trying something hard and failing is apparently not something Health IQ can get behind. Better hope you’ve had a lot of good things happen to you since the second grade! Or have played it pretty safe since then; they don’t want the stench of your failures interrupting treadmill standup.
We don't have sugar, candy bars, soda (diet or otherwise) in our office. If you bring some it will get thrown away.
My personal dietary choices are now my employer’s business. Awesome. I would like to work there, just so I could throw out other people’s property that has even one gram of sugars in it. Fuck your milk.
Although, hey, at least they’re honest about being creepy counterproductive weirdos. It’ll make the eventual lawsuit easier.
I think we should ALL apply and mess with these guys. I'm gonna come to the interview with a beer and a twizzler straw. Does anyone know of a compound that will look like crystal meth when burned in a meth pipe during an interview? (but not be meth lol)
My brag sheet... the true stuff I could say nobody would even believe.
While I'd be very happy to have this kind of gym at work the general vibe seems like a cult-like overreach, particularly the needing a personal or family story thing. Leave peoples' health histories out of hiring.
That said, there is nothing to prevent someone in a wheelchair, for example, from being or becoming fit. Nor does not being fit prevent you from working towards fitness.
Exclusionary criteria aside, working in an office that’s actually a gym with weight training grunts and barbells clanking seems like it would get annoying real fast.
> A track record of success. We believe winners have always won.
I'm nearly sure this is a long-term marketing campaign in which they'll flip the script later with something to the tune of "see how hard things can be for people with health issues? we're here to solve that" etc.
But that's the part where I lost it – because even if this is an honest parody, this mindset is quite pervasive in real life, especially in the US. You don't just have to be great in life today, you must have always had a great life.
This string is pretty disappointing for it's trolling tendencies. As an employee at HealthIQ we are a diverse team, 40%+ women, 40%+ minority and we strive each day to celebrate and reward the health conscious.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 103 ms ] threadIt's one thing to restrict sugar at the office, it's another if they actual hire for office jobs based on age, disability, or genetic testing.
Obesity, FYI, has not been classified as a disability. http://time.com/4883176/weight-discrimination-workplace-laws... https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a2bcd2c9-9e60... In most of the US, "Must have BMI 18-24" is a legally permissable (albeit unwise) employment retirement.
Also "employer" in this context requires 15+ employees.
Their hiring criteria are also probably illegal.
I almost hope it’s just a scam.
This company does seem really stupid though: I love the end of their pitch where they say 'We believe winners have always won', so submit a brag sheet about everything you've ever done in your life.
Candy will be thrown away? Dude, take it or leave it, no one is forcing you to eat crap in any office.
Logging back to the computer at 8/9? Sure, man, that sounds extremely healthy.
I imagine it's extremely successful at thinning the number of applicants.
The HN title should be less sensational then the source material not more.
The company seems to have a culture of being incredibly health conscious. I'm very health conscious myself, but yes, to be honest, their method turns me off. However, I'm sure there's people out there that share the culture and values of this startup, and would work well here.
This post just seems to be meant at instigating online fights.
> Our conference room is made up of 4 treadmill desks that face each other so you can do a walking meeting while seeing a presentation, rain or shine.
Is it? I mean, when the description of the company indicates "We end most standups with a feats of strengths competition," then "only fit able-bodied should apply" seems like either good advice or a suitably ironic warning, depending on your politics.
I love this. I would totally work here.
We do a daily standup where we don't discuss why something is late. Instead we each spend 10 seconds on what we actually shipped today.
So if I’m blocked on Jim, and Jim is shipping his own features and ignoring me, Jim looks good and I look bad. Cool, cool.
A track record of success. We believe winners have always won. All candidates will be asked to submit a 'brag sheet' as part of our interview process. This is a listing of every accomplishment you've ever had. If you won the spelling bee in the 2nd grade we want to know about it, etc.
Trying something hard and failing is apparently not something Health IQ can get behind. Better hope you’ve had a lot of good things happen to you since the second grade! Or have played it pretty safe since then; they don’t want the stench of your failures interrupting treadmill standup.
We don't have sugar, candy bars, soda (diet or otherwise) in our office. If you bring some it will get thrown away.
My personal dietary choices are now my employer’s business. Awesome. I would like to work there, just so I could throw out other people’s property that has even one gram of sugars in it. Fuck your milk.
Although, hey, at least they’re honest about being creepy counterproductive weirdos. It’ll make the eventual lawsuit easier.
My brag sheet... the true stuff I could say nobody would even believe.
That said, there is nothing to prevent someone in a wheelchair, for example, from being or becoming fit. Nor does not being fit prevent you from working towards fitness.
I'm nearly sure this is a long-term marketing campaign in which they'll flip the script later with something to the tune of "see how hard things can be for people with health issues? we're here to solve that" etc.
But that's the part where I lost it – because even if this is an honest parody, this mindset is quite pervasive in real life, especially in the US. You don't just have to be great in life today, you must have always had a great life.
My employer is usually the cause of my health issues (long hours, stress).