I sometimes wonder if, assuming we are able to simulate brains and nervous systems in software at some point in the future, if we'll be able to experiment with mapping spider or bat nervous system states to human ones to be able to investigate that experimentally. Which would be somewhat counter to Nagel's arguments.
Some off topic: I'd use that experiential mapping tech to "show" the mentally ill what a "normal" state of mind which they struggle to conceive of would be like. I suspect that may be curative. I also suspect most criminality may be cured in a similar way.
Isn't that an extremely dangerous thing to do to a person's mind?
Nobody is perfect, right? I believe that. That's an ancient biblical principle. If we were to take someone we perceive as unhealthy and conform their mind to someone we perceive as healthy, that person is being robbed of their individual experience and opportunity at life.
It's one thing to denounce criminalized thoughts, it's another to disallow them entirely. Regulating our thoughts and our actions is by definition living our lives. Excluding that experience, what is left?
I'm sorry if what I'm saying is not well organized, but for whatever reason this idea evokes something passionate in me. I don't think people should ever be put through that.
Yeah, I hadn't the bravery to include that, as I didn't want my response to seem so reactionary, but that really is what it is. Really the only difference is that in the book, he is coerced to perform the mental gymnastics through suffering, but if we could just restrain someone and zap them.... That's awful.
I'm glad others agree that this is at least controversial. The political landscape (at least here in America, my own perspective) the idea of offensive is seemingly headed down a path where people will want to bar themselves from experiencing anything offensive.
When you get on the subway and the guy next to you has odor, doesn't it make you appreciate your apartment even more?
Healthy dealings with unhealthy thoughts generally leads to healthy thoughts. Carl Rogers pioneered Humanist Psychology like fifty years ago, and he talked about that. Idk if he used the term self-talk, but that's what we call it now.
I think most neurodivergent people, particularly the criminally oriented ones, they have a dialogue imbalance, not a chemical imbalance. They are having the wrong conversations with themselves.
People change how other people think all the time. Boot camp is an old tradition across many cultures that works surprisingly well. School and religion are similarly effective though they take longer. Even a 30 second commercial works at some level.
Changing the technique might have wider range of outcomes, but I am not sure you can say it's more or less dangerous without for example knowing how effective it is.
I read Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky recently. Quite a lot of the book is told from the perspective of some highly intelligent spiders. The author makes a good attempt at articulating how they might perceive the world around them and how they would consequently struggle to communicate with us.
I don't know if it's accurate but he describes how they communicate primarily using their mandibles, legs and with vibrations through their silk, rather than through audible vibrations like us.
Was wondering why a 43 year old spider was in the news, it's not about the spider itself but about the dedication of the people that study and track these species, the connections they make with the world around them, and their passion for ecological systems and the changes induced on them over time.
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[ 0.78 ms ] story [ 57.2 ms ] threadNobody is perfect, right? I believe that. That's an ancient biblical principle. If we were to take someone we perceive as unhealthy and conform their mind to someone we perceive as healthy, that person is being robbed of their individual experience and opportunity at life.
It's one thing to denounce criminalized thoughts, it's another to disallow them entirely. Regulating our thoughts and our actions is by definition living our lives. Excluding that experience, what is left?
I'm sorry if what I'm saying is not well organized, but for whatever reason this idea evokes something passionate in me. I don't think people should ever be put through that.
"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself."
Yeah, I hadn't the bravery to include that, as I didn't want my response to seem so reactionary, but that really is what it is. Really the only difference is that in the book, he is coerced to perform the mental gymnastics through suffering, but if we could just restrain someone and zap them.... That's awful.
I'm glad others agree that this is at least controversial. The political landscape (at least here in America, my own perspective) the idea of offensive is seemingly headed down a path where people will want to bar themselves from experiencing anything offensive.
When you get on the subway and the guy next to you has odor, doesn't it make you appreciate your apartment even more?
Healthy dealings with unhealthy thoughts generally leads to healthy thoughts. Carl Rogers pioneered Humanist Psychology like fifty years ago, and he talked about that. Idk if he used the term self-talk, but that's what we call it now.
I think most neurodivergent people, particularly the criminally oriented ones, they have a dialogue imbalance, not a chemical imbalance. They are having the wrong conversations with themselves.
Anyways, the world is crazy.
Changing the technique might have wider range of outcomes, but I am not sure you can say it's more or less dangerous without for example knowing how effective it is.
I guess it ought to be reserved for voluntary usage, i.e. to "show" someone what is wrong with you.
I don't know if it's accurate but he describes how they communicate primarily using their mandibles, legs and with vibrations through their silk, rather than through audible vibrations like us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Time_(novel)
Our human brains create goals, but there are urges to find food and shelter.
I can only imagine all life is similar to having those urges.
Its the goal setting that makes us different.
Was wondering why a 43 year old spider was in the news, it's not about the spider itself but about the dedication of the people that study and track these species, the connections they make with the world around them, and their passion for ecological systems and the changes induced on them over time.
Then I got to the bottom and saw a link about people stoning a 'roo because it wouldn't hop. wtf?