Its cooperate politics panicking due to the failing of some cobbled together success metric. One of the holy cash cows of the company is inserted into the new product using all the previously gained knowledge- on how to herd holy cows, usually damaging the new product beyond repair.
It fails, the ruin is abandoned and sold off as scrap, and this top down approach to product development is taken as further evidence that the internal innovation culture is deteriorating. Instead, some external company doing a "superficial similar feature" is bought to overcome the perceived deficit.
This fails to integrate due to cooperate cultural clashes and architectural differences.
Who would have thought that something like google could be turned into another flailing behemoth, whose management is incapable of seeing potential anywhere besides its core product and the glorious past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC
Remember microsofts attempts to cram Windows into everything? Which ironically turned around only after, anything (platform cellphone) was allowed to adapt the holy cash cow to its needs.
Lets take something like Googles AR-Core. If it would show great potential, it will be honored to integrate search into it. And how will that happen?
Like search always happened. As a clumsy text-entry or as voice search.
First approach deteriorates the platform (there is no useful keyboard)- second adds no additional value but at least would work.
Truth is, to be successful the core cash cow ("search") would have to adapt to the needs of the new platform.
Imagine a NN-net guessing correctly- after you gestured a question mark - not only which trackable you pointed towards, but what the context was and deliver search results situation aware results and suggestions.
Such innovation would force changes upon search- and thus surely would face fierce resistance.
Edit: I apologize for the previous version to any readers. I should stop coding and commenting parallel.
One of the reasons I quit using Google News is the prevalence of "articles" in the Sci/Tech and Health sections giving me all the latest news about how the globe-alists are keeping Planet Nibiru a secret, and why doctors hate this ONE single trick to cure cancer. Unless it's very carefully curated, adding YouTube videos to the mix seems like it'd aggravate this problem.
Exactly why I stopped using google news. Garbage sites started getting thier garbage articles into my feed constantly and it was an annoying battle to keep them out. Seems obvious and easy to fix, but in true google fashion they will probably only make it worse.
There is usually a pattern used by clickbait articles, and psuedoscientific ones tend to use unusual words(e.g. quantum, toxin, etc.) far more regularly. Also the entire site tends to be bad, so google could index a list of poor quality news sites. Isn't that a little bit their job for ranking sites?
It is their job, but, looking at what happens with SEO - the never ending cat-and-mouse game where "black hats" always adapt to the new countermeasures Google puts in place - I wouldn't say it's all that easy :)
Yeah, it is. Give people better interfaces for controlling the sources. Set a higher bar for quality before even letting a site put their articles up.
It wasn’t a problem on Google News for years and it’s because it didn’t pull articles from those sites. A super easy solution is just dump all those newer contributing sites.
Saying that Google has problems with spammers in search results too isn’t proof that the problem is hard to solve, because it used to be solved pretty well in both cases. It’s proof that Google has de-prioritized solving it.
Same here. I use http://newstral.com now. It's "just" a headline aggregator, but a very good one. Been recommending it to everyone who wants a quick overview over how different news outlets treat the same news...
I have literally never seen an article like this and have been using Google News for years. Maybe you're clicking them and giving the ML model the wrong feedback?
Same here, as long as you aqvoid the "Spotlight" section. Nothing but garbage in there, but everything else seems fine.
Incidentally, I have my Google search/activity history turned off and often browse while not logged in. I do wonder if this could be a case of the ML model over fitting and actively making things worse.
They removed all of the most useful and important features and dumbed it down significantly.
It had a resizable graph, with the ability to quickly compare two or more ticker symbols, and news icons right on the graph that showed significant events for the company.
It also had a great customizable table to manage your own portfolio, and a ton of data that mostly seems to be missing now.
It was the best free finance tool available in the world, by far. Now it's just another piece of garbage like any random finance website.
Note that all the great features were implemented in Flash. The cost of documenting the behaviors and building a team to reimplement was deemed non-essential.
Google's actions made it clear that Google Finance has been an unowned or skeleton project for several years. Google never made a Google Finance app for Android. Just because there is a vocal audience that likes the old product does not mean that reimplementing the flash features is a good use of resources.
Yes the Finance redesign is a disaster. It was the same for like 15 years, one of my most consistently visited sites. Now I’ve stopped using it completely. GG
Google finance is bad now. Very bad. Anyone have a good replacement? I went back to Yahoo for a while, but it's pretty awful as well. Slightly better than Google finance, but it's not a high bar to reach...
When I want to search Google for news, I do a regular seearch, and then click over to the news link, which displays the results in a much easier to consume formant that the regular Google News UI.
I'd put some huge blame on single page applications. Nearly everywhere stuff gets replaced by SPAs to push all layout calculations to the client. This frees up resources on the server side but at the same time everything feels sluggish and takes a long time to load (network- and Javascript-wise).
Reddit is also taking this new approach and as a result is nearly unusable on my phone and takes 3 times a long to load on my desktop.
The layout is becoming mobile first due to everything needing to be "responsive". So the desktop as the minority webbrowsing platform gets to use all the interfaces that are primarily optimized for mobile.
Does anyone do it right? Gmail used to be a rare example of a non-dreadful SPA app, but I gather the new one is pretty bad (I’m still on the old interface for now). Beyond that, I can’t think of many.
The dreadful new Jira is a good example; much, much slower than the old one, less information dense, and more confusing.
Luckily, their CEO has learned the power of public relations trick to use so many words to say so little:
> There is always that change aversion. We believe everybody has a home on Reddit. The challenge is finding that home, particularly for new users. Helping them find their home, helping find their community and sense of belonging on Reddit, it’s something we’re not very good at. The redesign is a big effort towards making that better.
design isn't something "objective", so it's where they usually put the worst candidates that they were forced to hire. This gets worse when companies grow bigger because the hiring is done by people quite far from the product
UI quality is not subjective; decades of research have gone into quantifying user interface quality, and also into proving that the resulting metrics reflect reality.
Dismissing this entire field of work is like saying “Structural integrity is subjective. Bridges gotta fall eventually, and geology is hard, so why bother?”
But quality criteria is subjective on an individual basis. Individuals place varying weights on aspects of a user interface. Some prefer speed over aesthetic, some prefer whitespace over information density, etc.
The quality criteria among one demographic may differ from the quality criteria among another. So I think it’s safe to say that a company can optimize its UI quality for a certain demographic, and that demographic may not include certain individual users.
Ignoring the aesthetics, they’re breaking basic workflows. For instance, try rejecting a calendar invite with a response. I guarantee you’ll screw it up the first time.
Something similar happened with windows phone. Version 8’s UI was painstakingly optimized to minimize the number of taps to get anything done, and all the controls were at the bottom of the screen. (I guess market research showed that people use fingers to control their smartphones, and not some other appendage.)
In 8.1, they increased the number of taps for most interactions. For instance, in 8.0, you opened maps, typed your destination and pressed enter. It popped up an interstital screen with options that timed out after 5ish seconds of no interaction, and then started navigating.
This was infuriating, but still well beyond the current state of the art.
If I remember right, in 8.1, you had to wait for networking, click through the screen, wait again, and click OK, just like on current iOS (except that the controls on iOS can’t be used one handed, so you get to have zero hands on the wheel instead of one). Also, even in the broken revamp, it was obvious what was tappable, and what was not.
Google has taken regression of basic workflows to a new level with their new ui revamp.
For instance: Clicking “no” in a calendar invite brings you to a confusing form with no useful information and a bajillion user interface elements. You need to click a low contrast text box that says “invite guests / tldr” to type a repsonse, and then click a button. Of course, there is no visual indication that the “invite guests...” text is an editable text box until you click it.
Typing your response and clicking no doesn’t actually do anything until you click the red button in the top left of the screen. The only way I’ve found to discover this is to attempt to close the calendar UI.
I have never attempted to use the new calendar UI workflow on a phone. I suspect it is even worse.
The fact that Google is dysfunctional enough to ship things like this boggles the mind.
Even Apple, which is supposed to be good at this stuff, is years behind defunct competitors in easily quantifiable, obvious metrics.
I was already unhappy with Amp and the last redesign. I have used GNews more than most other sites in the past but it's already gotten pretty bad. Add in YouTube and I'm done. Really could use a new aggregator... Will have to check out the newstral.com site linked in another post here. Any other options?
The last thing I want when I browse news is for video to be incorporated. It's already bad enough seeing video only articles on Google News on occasion. This will probably push me to switching to Apple News for mobile.
This would be tolerable if there was a preference to disable all video content, but otherwise this is going to be a strong push for me to find a different aggregator: when I go to Google News I'm looking specifically for text-base news 100% of the time; video is a poor medium for information and an excellent one for emotional manipulation.
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HN too bias for Google, facebook and twitter ??
Hmmm, they add code to Chrome to avoid those videos and now they are going to add their own.
It fails, the ruin is abandoned and sold off as scrap, and this top down approach to product development is taken as further evidence that the internal innovation culture is deteriorating. Instead, some external company doing a "superficial similar feature" is bought to overcome the perceived deficit. This fails to integrate due to cooperate cultural clashes and architectural differences.
Who would have thought that something like google could be turned into another flailing behemoth, whose management is incapable of seeing potential anywhere besides its core product and the glorious past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC Remember microsofts attempts to cram Windows into everything? Which ironically turned around only after, anything (platform cellphone) was allowed to adapt the holy cash cow to its needs.
Lets take something like Googles AR-Core. If it would show great potential, it will be honored to integrate search into it. And how will that happen? Like search always happened. As a clumsy text-entry or as voice search.
First approach deteriorates the platform (there is no useful keyboard)- second adds no additional value but at least would work.
Truth is, to be successful the core cash cow ("search") would have to adapt to the needs of the new platform. Imagine a NN-net guessing correctly- after you gestured a question mark - not only which trackable you pointed towards, but what the context was and deliver search results situation aware results and suggestions.
Such innovation would force changes upon search- and thus surely would face fierce resistance.
Edit: I apologize for the previous version to any readers. I should stop coding and commenting parallel.
Google Finance was also turned into garbage with their latest "revamp" as well.
Now when I hear Google is going to "revamp" something I'm expecting high odds that I will be frustrated and angry with it.
Is it?
It wasn’t a problem on Google News for years and it’s because it didn’t pull articles from those sites. A super easy solution is just dump all those newer contributing sites.
Saying that Google has problems with spammers in search results too isn’t proof that the problem is hard to solve, because it used to be solved pretty well in both cases. It’s proof that Google has de-prioritized solving it.
RSS? ;)
Incidentally, I have my Google search/activity history turned off and often browse while not logged in. I do wonder if this could be a case of the ML model over fitting and actively making things worse.
It had a resizable graph, with the ability to quickly compare two or more ticker symbols, and news icons right on the graph that showed significant events for the company.
It also had a great customizable table to manage your own portfolio, and a ton of data that mostly seems to be missing now.
It was the best free finance tool available in the world, by far. Now it's just another piece of garbage like any random finance website.
Sounds like a winning strategy.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2015/04/01/google-quietly-remo...
The quality of their work is, at best, worse than previous iterations. Finance, Calendar, Mail ... all getting new UIs, and all of them are worse.
Giant whitespace, low information density, a sluggish webapp feel,...just what is going on?
The new GMail struggles to keep up with clicks in any browser - while the previous version was snappy. How on earth is this possible?
I'd put some huge blame on single page applications. Nearly everywhere stuff gets replaced by SPAs to push all layout calculations to the client. This frees up resources on the server side but at the same time everything feels sluggish and takes a long time to load (network- and Javascript-wise).
Reddit is also taking this new approach and as a result is nearly unusable on my phone and takes 3 times a long to load on my desktop.
The layout is becoming mobile first due to everything needing to be "responsive". So the desktop as the minority webbrowsing platform gets to use all the interfaces that are primarily optimized for mobile.
The dreadful new Jira is a good example; much, much slower than the old one, less information dense, and more confusing.
> There is always that change aversion. We believe everybody has a home on Reddit. The challenge is finding that home, particularly for new users. Helping them find their home, helping find their community and sense of belonging on Reddit, it’s something we’re not very good at. The redesign is a big effort towards making that better.
Quality is subjective and perhaps they are improving for a target audience that is not you.
Dismissing this entire field of work is like saying “Structural integrity is subjective. Bridges gotta fall eventually, and geology is hard, so why bother?”
The quality criteria among one demographic may differ from the quality criteria among another. So I think it’s safe to say that a company can optimize its UI quality for a certain demographic, and that demographic may not include certain individual users.
Something similar happened with windows phone. Version 8’s UI was painstakingly optimized to minimize the number of taps to get anything done, and all the controls were at the bottom of the screen. (I guess market research showed that people use fingers to control their smartphones, and not some other appendage.)
In 8.1, they increased the number of taps for most interactions. For instance, in 8.0, you opened maps, typed your destination and pressed enter. It popped up an interstital screen with options that timed out after 5ish seconds of no interaction, and then started navigating.
This was infuriating, but still well beyond the current state of the art.
If I remember right, in 8.1, you had to wait for networking, click through the screen, wait again, and click OK, just like on current iOS (except that the controls on iOS can’t be used one handed, so you get to have zero hands on the wheel instead of one). Also, even in the broken revamp, it was obvious what was tappable, and what was not.
Google has taken regression of basic workflows to a new level with their new ui revamp.
For instance: Clicking “no” in a calendar invite brings you to a confusing form with no useful information and a bajillion user interface elements. You need to click a low contrast text box that says “invite guests / tldr” to type a repsonse, and then click a button. Of course, there is no visual indication that the “invite guests...” text is an editable text box until you click it.
Typing your response and clicking no doesn’t actually do anything until you click the red button in the top left of the screen. The only way I’ve found to discover this is to attempt to close the calendar UI.
I have never attempted to use the new calendar UI workflow on a phone. I suspect it is even worse.
The fact that Google is dysfunctional enough to ship things like this boggles the mind.
Even Apple, which is supposed to be good at this stuff, is years behind defunct competitors in easily quantifiable, obvious metrics.