Ask HN: How has working remotely for long periods affected your social skills?
This question is mainly directed at people who work all their hours remotely and have no hours working in person at an office. Especially if you've worked this way for several months or years, how has it affected the way you interact with people? Has it made some things more difficult to you? In particular if you are living single, and aren't living with anyone to take care of (no SO, or no children or other family).
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[ 2.6 ms ] story [ 228 ms ] threadWhenever I feel lonely I can throw a party with a mix of people of various backgrounds as well.
- I have to remind myself to slow down when talking to people. I think this is a result of having to think/talk through issues on my own during the day. Pairing with team members has helped this a bit.
- I had to make a real effort to see my friends more often, loneliness set in heavily despite having a spouse. Picking up a social hobby, rock climbing in my case, has also helped.
- If living in an area without a strong software community, exchanging ideas and "talking shop" goes away. Learning and professional growth is now done entirely remote as well. Try and stay in an area with regular meetups or some sort of interaction with other engineers if you growing as a technical contributor is important to you.
I do get back to the office 3 times a year, but it's definitely changed my normal social patterns. I still strongly prefer full time remote to having to commute even once or twice a week, but I now use that commute time for socializing and hobbies instead. Good trade off for the added bit of loneliness in my opinion, although I'm not sure my answer would be the same if I didn't have my spouse to keep me company.
* I also moved from Chicago to a town of 15k in Upstate NY
I'm NNY born and raised. I live in a small town of 500 just outside of a small city of 25k. I love it here, but the lack of local resources does make me wonder if I could move to a slightly larger city with a better airport so I can have my cake and eat it too.
Switching from part-time to full-time remote is what allowed us to move here. We found ourselves spending most of our vacation time back this way anyway, so moving back here was a goal a year or two after we moved to Chicago.
If I ever lost this job, the backup plan is Boston while my wife stays with my family and finishes her degree. There's really not many places to work up this way, and none of them are willing to pay large city wages.
That said, we don't intend to settle down here. The risk is too high. Portland, ME is similar culturally with more opportunity. That's on our short list to head out to next.
This is my personal biggest issue. As a freelancer I think I particularly suffer from the lack of connections as well. I'm probably going to sign up for a coworking space soon in order to combat it.
Remote work has also made me really value the coffee shop as a place to meet friends, meet up with friends, and be around the noise of people being people.
Edit: it's also worth noting that I don't think remote has changed how I'm social. It's just been a different social setting, and I'm happy to say I'm mostly able to adapt to it. It needn't be isolating, and it can open up energy for you to be more social in other parts of your life.
I basically had to learn to take more initiative when it came to arranging to hang out with people. I did and things have been going great since.
With remote work you definitely have the opportunity to isolate yourself on accident. So you have to been conscious of that and take action when you notice it.
I live alone now. But in the beginning of my remote career I had roommates. Roommates, who are actually your friends, are a great way of avoiding social isolation in the remote setting. And if they all have office jobs, you get the house to yourself all day!
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FWIW I did it for a while and even though I had some social contact at the time it really wasn't enough and I did get a bit weird.
Socializing becomes this activity that you have to be proactive for otherwise you’ll find yourself in some dark places asking a therapist how you arrived at this low point.
If I go for a week or two without client face to face, I can feel my social skills getting more awkward.
I don't feel right now that there is room for improvement, so I'm just floating until life slows down again.
I made friends all around the world but I know relatively few people where I live. I’ve had to go out of my way to have social hobbies in order to meet people. With a family and a remote job (calls to the other side of the world do not happen in 9-5 hours), that wasn’t always possible.
Over all, I’d say my social skills did not suffer but my social life did and my sense of connection to where I live was perhaps less than it might have been otherwise.
Now I have my own business I’ve rented an office in town and am building a co-located team.
There are many benefits to remote work but, after more than a decade of it, I think I’m realistic about its downsides too.
Personally, I find that I am more careful with who I spend time with. I try not to read a lot of news and outside media to in order to focus on doing things I love and work on my craft (Development, photography, and video). I haven't found any changes with my confidence in speaking to others, and the way I look at it, unless you're are a complete recluse, you'll always interact with other people.
My wife and I spend a lot of time in campgrounds and in nature, so I do cherish the time I get to talk to people, even if that time is brief. After being on the road for almost a year, I reconnected with some old friends for a weekend on Albuquerque and had no social issues.
I work from home and did the same for a long time. When I tried to enter casual conversation with people I noticed I was unable to discuss world events. In addition I was missing important local information, such as road closures or purposed tax increases. I settled on reading the daily paper. It covers everything I need to know, and while it has a bias, it’s much less than what’s on a facebook feed.
I have work hours and none work hours. I have a work out routine that makes me wake up early in the morning, which in turn makes me sleep at a reasonable time
I give myself lunch breaks that I use to go to the grocery store buy ingredients and cook good food.
I make plans for my after work hours to see friends, attend meetups..etc.
Working in an office setting you are forced into a structure, with working remotely you have to create your own structure.
Remote working has allowed me to flourish socially. I have a recreational hockey team, we are part of a nice Yoga community, and given that we spend lots of time around our neighbourhood, we have met many friends, from the lady who cleans our building to the dude who owns the coffeeshop. Soon, I will be volunteering at the local hospice.
When you decouple social contact from work, the onus is on you to find a healthy replacement with the extra time and flexibility that remote life affords you. As is often the case when starting something new, you may find the first leap into a new social scene to be a harrowing experience. But it is rewarding! Much of this is because we live an urban life-style. I imagine being in a sub-urban neighbourhood might be much tricker to manage, as the people and amenities are further away. Consider how likely you are to stay working remotely. Perhaps a more "vibrant" area of town that allows you to walk to wonders might suit you better?
As an interim solution, my partner and I have both found that scheduling purely social calls, or 'no agenda, just banter' group video chats to be a fruitful means of connecting with the people with which we work.
Similar to what some others mentioned, I'm more of an introvert so I find remote work make me more social if anything as I don't "use up" my social energy being in an office and can instead use it more selectively on interactions that I get more value from.
You do have to be more proactive about socializing. I have a number of regular activities like krav maga classes, a personal trainer and have just taken up swing dancing with my girlfriend. It helps that I already had an established social circle, partly from previous office jobs, and I make an effort to see those friends reasonably often.
I know a few other remote workers too and I'll sometimes meet up with them for lunch or coffee, plus my girlfriend doesn't have a regular schedule so we'll sometimes meet for lunch in the week.
Overall I'm much happier remote working and would have a hard time ever going back to non remote work.
To be honest I think it's done a number on my social skills. Ever since I worked remotely I have not been able to do well on interviews as I used to. When I started out my career, it took me 3 months to get my first job as a programmer. Now, I've been interviewing for 3 years and counting. Seems like I sound kinda "off" with all the people I've interviewed with since in the few times I have gotten feedback, they say I sound nervous. 3 years of interviewing practice (I consider every real interview to also count as "practice") has not made much progress it seems.
I haven't put much effort in meeting new people. The only people I talk to today are my close relatives and two of my closest friends. And no partner to lean on socially. In fact I have never had a serious relationship in my 36 years of living. Would you consider this par on course for an introvert working remotely, or am I taking social reclusion too far?
> Similar to what some others mentioned, I'm more of an introvert so I find remote work makes me more social if anything as I don't "use up" my social energy being in an office and can instead use it more selectively on interactions that I get more value from.
I think this is key. Offices used to make me feel exhausted. I recall coming home from work and plummeting into a "crash nap" for an hour so that I could salvage my evenings. I worked hard to build my life so that I can move at a much slower pace and take things in a flow that works well for me.
But to your question: is what you are describing par for the course for an introvert working remotely, or are you taking social reclusion too far...
There seems to be two things afoot:
* You have been interviewing for a long while without success.
* You feel lonely and, in a way, depreciating, because of your confined way of being.
As for interviewing... I would agree that actual interviews _are_ practice - the best kind! But I am curious as to the other type of practice that you are doing. Are you working with other people to help you or are you studying textbooks like 'Cracking the Coding Interview'? We all feel a bit weird about recruiters, but there are services that will help you polish your people skills.
As for reclusiveness... It sounds like you might be taking it to an extreme. There are studies that pop-up on HN often about the benefits of social contact towards well-being and longevity. There is also intuitive proof; we feel much better when we have social validation. The inverse is depressing. I empathize. It sounds like you are having a tough time.
I would challenge a limiting belief like introversion. That is not a good reason for making yourself suffer alone. It might be time to write a narrative for yourself where you _are_ into athletic activities, meeting up with strangers, and being open to healthy and fruitful relationships. When you take care of yourself it will shine through in all that you do.
My employer has many remote employees, so there isn't so much of an in-office vs out culture, and various chat, email and meeting technologies make it convenient to "meet". To that end, our group has just started doing a cameras-on meeting every other week or so. The idea is to get more of a face to face aspect, for those who need more of that sort of contact.
I also make a habit of going on walks in the neighbourhood. I'd find it harder to be self employed if I lived someplace I couldn't do that. But when I step outside there are parks full of people.
When I first moved out on my own I got terribly lonesome, until I started going to cafes. Talking with the staff at a local cafe is actually a good way to get a small dose of socialization each day.
I found, surprisingly, that I didn't need deep social connection on a daily basis, but I did need some social contact. In other words, for filling that need, a 3 min chat with a barista was as effective as an hour with a close friend.
I wasn't a particularly social person originally, but working alone has made me even more insular, and less inclined to join in social situations. It ended up with me feeling lonely and unhappy. I was considering quitting my contract, although similar work is difficult to find where I'm now living.
So two weeks ago, I started working in a shared workspace, and I will try that for a few months to see if it helps.
My guess is that every person has a different buffer of how long they can do without regular human company during the day, and I'd exausted mine. Having a family helps, but may not replace professional company where you are discussing things about your dayjob.