Do you advocate taking money or property from people who are working and giving it to this who aren’t? Is it more just that the worker is forced to work to house themselves but to also house someone else?
That's taxes, right? I suspect (but cannot prove) that if we somehow managed to plot a graph of taxes and freedom, the peak freedom would come somewhere between zero tax and 100% tax.
Ayn Rand, are you back from the dead? But seriously, that’s called taxation, and it’s a small price to pay for lovely amenities like roads and local government.
It is a small price. I'll even go crazy and say the world is better for me if I don't have wade through a sea of homeless people daily.
Perhaps that deprives me of the satisfaction of seeing the pure justice or logic behind my ability determining my success while others with less ability live with the consequences of their failure. But I'm okay with it.
Notice I didn't say a right to housing, but a right to a place. As in a lot of land, where presumably I could build my own structure, or at least pitch a tent.
Realistically speaking, the solution could be a guaranteed housing subsidy for all regardless of income, so those that do "pay their own way" aren't penalized.
So you believe I don't have a right to a place to be? Where should I sleep then? Please show me exactly where this mountain and/or "etc." location is that you would have me relocate to.
What adds insult to injury is that in securing a roof over your head you have to pay 'market' rates that include somebody elses profits (i.e. interest on capital)
Why can't it be more like other government infrastrucure like roads/parking/etc...
where the price of the land is often close to free, and the only costs are construction and maintenance costs. No market and no profits involved.
Slightly off topic but
I also consider having a roof over your head a more fundamental right than moving ~1.2 (on avg.) persons around using 2 tons of metal, wasting precious resouces and producing noise and carcinogens.
And funnily enought nobody wants to live where others are driving their cars, which contributes ever more to the sprawl and total miles being driven. We end up standing in the theater and once everyone stands our view is just as bad as before with the added inconvience of now having to stand)
N.b.:
There obviously is fundamental right to freedom of movement (at least until you hit some kind of border) but in my opinion this does not include grossly wasteful modes of transportation.
I've worked on many homeless-service applications in California (and in fact finished one this week), and the biggest problem by far is parochial zoning policy.
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[ 2.6 ms ] story [ 32.5 ms ] thread#1 - How can there be freedom if there isn't a right to a place to be? Otherwise one is essentially forced to work just to exist.
#2 - It's often said that one "cannot blame society". The point is not to blame anybody, but to approach the issue in a nonjudgmental fashion.
Is that freedom?
Perhaps that deprives me of the satisfaction of seeing the pure justice or logic behind my ability determining my success while others with less ability live with the consequences of their failure. But I'm okay with it.
Realistically speaking, the solution could be a guaranteed housing subsidy for all regardless of income, so those that do "pay their own way" aren't penalized.
Not have one handed to you.
That infringes on someone else's ability to pursue the livelihood and life they want.
What adds insult to injury is that in securing a roof over your head you have to pay 'market' rates that include somebody elses profits (i.e. interest on capital)
Why can't it be more like other government infrastrucure like roads/parking/etc... where the price of the land is often close to free, and the only costs are construction and maintenance costs. No market and no profits involved.
Slightly off topic but I also consider having a roof over your head a more fundamental right than moving ~1.2 (on avg.) persons around using 2 tons of metal, wasting precious resouces and producing noise and carcinogens. And funnily enought nobody wants to live where others are driving their cars, which contributes ever more to the sprawl and total miles being driven. We end up standing in the theater and once everyone stands our view is just as bad as before with the added inconvience of now having to stand)
N.b.: There obviously is fundamental right to freedom of movement (at least until you hit some kind of border) but in my opinion this does not include grossly wasteful modes of transportation.
I've worked on many homeless-service applications in California (and in fact finished one this week), and the biggest problem by far is parochial zoning policy.