the more I interact with the business world the more I realize that there are talkers and there are doers. You become successful not just by being a doer, but by surrounding yourself with other doers.
The nice thing about doers is that it's very easy to spot if you know what you're looking for.
And not just in the business world either. Talkers are everywhere and it annoys the * out of me.
(btw - while it's true that you can spot doers and talkers from miles away, I know one guy - only one - that is that rare creature: a talker who actually does as well. amazing)
Ah yes, fluffy pablum from the man who stared in Expelled, the movie about why big science is a big conspiracy to keep down THE TRUTH about intelligent design.
Yes. It isn't exactly a challenge to find great artists and writers who worked prodigiously through their lives and remained poor. I'm sure Vincent van Gogh appreciates Stein's patronizing explanation of how the world works though.
true, many great people worked hard throughout their lives and still never achieved success in their lifetime. But on the other hand I can't think of a single great personality who made it WITHOUT real hardwork.
Maybe (I am not a historian). But it is a trivial statement that working harder is the road to success. Also, perhaps as a 30 year old you should hang out in bars at times nevertheless. What is he supposed to write about?
Still - this work harder thing is like the dieting tips in women's magazines. We've all heard it about 1000 times before, but somehow we still need to be reminded of it from time to time.
Well, "great personality" is perhaps demanding a bit much. But a lot of people have "made it" without hard work. They get by on their looks, or their parents' connections, or ride someone else's coattails. How much work did Paul Allen put in relative to his net worth? Or YouTube's third founder? Or most investors -- their money does the work, which can return disproportionate rewards.
Sure, Steve Jobs was instrumental in starting Apple, but the amount of work he did to get that first hundred million was tiny by comparison. A lot of salespeople hustle and work just as hard -- just in less effective directions. Lots of middle-aged maids from Guatemala work harder.
Not to mention the sheer luck of knowing Woz in the first place. Or the fact that Jobs did it because he was interested in computers at just the right time and place. A lot of people follow their interests but the industry isn't some gigantic wave.
Plus some things come naturally to people and it isn't "hard". Woz designed the Apple II mostly at night while he was working at HP. Hard for him would have been doing all the stuff Jobs did -- like talking to people! Some people not only socialize easily, it's hard for them NOT to socialize.
A lot of the successes just do what they WANT do, they don't "try hard" to make themselves do something. Bill Gates just loved running his own software company. He could have retired years and years ago, but he wasn't in it to make money in order to do something else. He'd rather run Microsoft than sit on a beach sipping umbrella drinks!
I would venture to guess that most well-known successes just did what came naturally. They didn't have to push themselves, in the way that when you're angry you don't have to push yourself to shout. You just feel a certain way and it's hard not to go along with it.
Probably most of the confusion and inertia here is because people know what they don't want to do (work some sucky job for 30 years), but not what they do want to do.
I think the question isn't "what would you do if you ALREADY HAD millions of dollars", but what would you do if you didn't have to worry about being broke. If all the basics were covered, but no luxuries (like having your own swell bachelor pad), and you were free to pursue whatever type of enterprise you wanted.
Yes. I think we as educated supporters of evolution should not support worthless, general writing from someone doing an enormous disservice in America.
Ben Stein is the worse kind of troll. I hope the media ostracizes him and I expect they will. He has completely ruined his legacy with his appearance in Expelled. Though he can probably make good money doing speaking jobs to fundies.
Words have value regardless of who said them. It is unfortunate that not everyone respects that. Personally, I until I turned 18 I was incredibly frustrated time and time again because people did not take me seriously, as they would an adult. It wasn't because of what I was saying, but because of who I was: a child. So while I wholeheartedly disagree with Mr. Stein's political views, I stand by the notion that a person can say powerful words regardless of who they are.
Keep in mind that Ben Stein's stance on evolution is not a political view. He is manipulating people into rejecting scientific fact. It is a shame people don't take children seriously, but it is not a shame that Ben Stein is going to be blacklisted by Hollywood.
Ben Stein may say some valuable things in the future and I don't completely dismiss everything he says as wrong -- I just do not care what the man has to say anymore.
"It's complicated explaining how genius or expertise is created and why it's so rare. But it isn't magic, and it isn't born. These people don't necessarily have an especially high IQ... And the one thing they always have is this incredible investment of effort."
right but intelligent design is not just a misguided view, if its allowed to propagate its going to hold back scientific progress for ours and future generations so it deserves to follow educatated/intelligent guys like this around with them.
Intelligent design is not a theory. It is a direct contradiction to scientific fact. It does not deserve to ever be mentioned in the same sentence as evolution. I'm fine if Ben Stein believes this individually but what offends me is his desire to spread his lies.
> I'm fine if Ben Stein believes this individually but what offends me is his desire to spread his lies.
Well, that's democracy for you. If you could stop everyone who you thought was spreading ignorance from sharing/convincing others of their views, you'd be living someplace else.
Its not that theres a conspiracy its just that sometimes when you have a structure in place its hard for it to change or improve. Does the US government even have a group of people working on just that topic? Surely the three main branches of government can't be the final word. Alan Kay talks about glorious cathedral structures in Smalltalk and a similar structure has set in with science, where researchers are careful with how they write their papers to the point where a mis step could have them falling from the rafters, career wise.
I agree with you but what he said just make sense and many start up wana bee need to hear it. It almost hurts to have to agree with someone like that but the content of that article is still valid.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 49.7 ms ] threadThe nice thing about doers is that it's very easy to spot if you know what you're looking for.
And not just in the business world either. Talkers are everywhere and it annoys the * out of me.
(btw - while it's true that you can spot doers and talkers from miles away, I know one guy - only one - that is that rare creature: a talker who actually does as well. amazing)
Still - this work harder thing is like the dieting tips in women's magazines. We've all heard it about 1000 times before, but somehow we still need to be reminded of it from time to time.
My preferred despair poster explain perfectly your statement.
http://www.despair.com/incompetence.html
Sure, Steve Jobs was instrumental in starting Apple, but the amount of work he did to get that first hundred million was tiny by comparison. A lot of salespeople hustle and work just as hard -- just in less effective directions. Lots of middle-aged maids from Guatemala work harder.
Not to mention the sheer luck of knowing Woz in the first place. Or the fact that Jobs did it because he was interested in computers at just the right time and place. A lot of people follow their interests but the industry isn't some gigantic wave.
Plus some things come naturally to people and it isn't "hard". Woz designed the Apple II mostly at night while he was working at HP. Hard for him would have been doing all the stuff Jobs did -- like talking to people! Some people not only socialize easily, it's hard for them NOT to socialize.
A lot of the successes just do what they WANT do, they don't "try hard" to make themselves do something. Bill Gates just loved running his own software company. He could have retired years and years ago, but he wasn't in it to make money in order to do something else. He'd rather run Microsoft than sit on a beach sipping umbrella drinks!
I would venture to guess that most well-known successes just did what came naturally. They didn't have to push themselves, in the way that when you're angry you don't have to push yourself to shout. You just feel a certain way and it's hard not to go along with it.
Probably most of the confusion and inertia here is because people know what they don't want to do (work some sucky job for 30 years), but not what they do want to do.
I think the question isn't "what would you do if you ALREADY HAD millions of dollars", but what would you do if you didn't have to worry about being broke. If all the basics were covered, but no luxuries (like having your own swell bachelor pad), and you were free to pursue whatever type of enterprise you wanted.
Ben Stein is the worse kind of troll. I hope the media ostracizes him and I expect they will. He has completely ruined his legacy with his appearance in Expelled. Though he can probably make good money doing speaking jobs to fundies.
Ben Stein may say some valuable things in the future and I don't completely dismiss everything he says as wrong -- I just do not care what the man has to say anymore.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19125691.300
"It's complicated explaining how genius or expertise is created and why it's so rare. But it isn't magic, and it isn't born. These people don't necessarily have an especially high IQ... And the one thing they always have is this incredible investment of effort."
Most of the rest of the world is pretty much settled on this topic.
I was flabbergasted.
Well, that's democracy for you. If you could stop everyone who you thought was spreading ignorance from sharing/convincing others of their views, you'd be living someplace else.