Three words went repeatedly through my head as I was reading this: "What the fuck?"
This whole immigration situation is absolutely bewildering.
I'd say this is unfit and unworthy of a country that wants to be seen as a defender of human rights,
but then the US already (very fittingly) left the U.N. Human Rights Council less than a week ago.
So instead I'm just at a loss of words.
The only way to save face lies now with the courts presiding over the various issues that came up recently.
Forcing drugs on kids without either their or their parents' consent is bad enough. Doing it with such flagrant disregard for safety or general medical sanity is much worse. Heads probably need to roll on this one.
I love that everyone will continue to blame Trump for this despite the fact that the US has had anti-immigration policies in place for years. Obama built on top of what Bush started.
It’s sad people are only paying attention now because Trump! By making this about him we’re simply framing this as another right vs left issue and polarizing people on both sides.
Anti immigration policies are the issue and these policies transcend administrations.
There really is no limit to how bad a country or its leaders can behave. WWII wasn’t that long ago, we shouldn’t assume things can’t get out of hand again.
Since at least half of US seems to want to abolish immigration control, has any software developer considered illegally crossing from Mexico, or just overstaying a tourist visa?
What would happen? Do software companies hire illegal migrants?
I would presume that a lot of very leftist SF companies should welcome hiring without proper papers. Or do they do that just for low income unqualified jobs?
> Since at least half of US seems to want to abolish immigration control
There's a large difference between "want people to be treated humanely" and "abolish immigration control". I'd hope the first would be a majority opinion, the latter seems unlikely to be one.
We've forgotten how to elevate issues above cable news fodder when necessary. But history will see this with absolute clarity.
The present is trapped into framing everything as an issue with two sides, and maybe nuance gets lost. But the bigger problem is that the equilibrium is so established that the middle no longer accepts that one side could ever be very right or very wrong on a given issue.
History will not be limited as we are to seeing Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity as equivalent outrage peddlers at opposite but equivalent ends of the horseshoe.
> But history will see this with absolute clarity.
Are you sure about that? It seems to me history is messy. Are you just asserting that one side will eventually win each ideological battle and get to rewrite the history books to exclude the opposite perspective and all nuance in-between? If so: what are we supposed to conclude from knowing this? If not, then what are you saying?
What makes this story "cable news fodder" is that at this point it's still essentially an unproven allegation. So we have two options:
(1) GUESS at answers regarding how true the allegations are and (if true) how widespread and significant the problem might be and who might be responsible for it, then run around screaming at each other at how bad OTHER PEOPLE are for not being concerned ENOUGH about the precise version of this problem that we have hallucinated in our heads, or...
(2) Wait a bit until we know more about what the details ACTUALLY are and THEN consider making it a big news story and telling the world, if it still seems sufficiently serious at that time.
Another Propaganda peice based on absolutely nothing.
"The lawsuit was filed on April 16, days after the introduction of the Trump Administration’s “zero tolerance” policy to separate children from parents who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border illegally. Trump abandoned the policy on Wednesday"
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 31.0 ms ] threadThis whole immigration situation is absolutely bewildering.
I'd say this is unfit and unworthy of a country that wants to be seen as a defender of human rights, but then the US already (very fittingly) left the U.N. Human Rights Council less than a week ago.
So instead I'm just at a loss of words.
The only way to save face lies now with the courts presiding over the various issues that came up recently.
Obama separated children from their parents too: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/study-5100-kids-i...
It’s sad people are only paying attention now because Trump! By making this about him we’re simply framing this as another right vs left issue and polarizing people on both sides.
Anti immigration policies are the issue and these policies transcend administrations.
What would happen? Do software companies hire illegal migrants?
I would presume that a lot of very leftist SF companies should welcome hiring without proper papers. Or do they do that just for low income unqualified jobs?
There's a large difference between "want people to be treated humanely" and "abolish immigration control". I'd hope the first would be a majority opinion, the latter seems unlikely to be one.
The present is trapped into framing everything as an issue with two sides, and maybe nuance gets lost. But the bigger problem is that the equilibrium is so established that the middle no longer accepts that one side could ever be very right or very wrong on a given issue.
History will not be limited as we are to seeing Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity as equivalent outrage peddlers at opposite but equivalent ends of the horseshoe.
Are you sure about that? It seems to me history is messy. Are you just asserting that one side will eventually win each ideological battle and get to rewrite the history books to exclude the opposite perspective and all nuance in-between? If so: what are we supposed to conclude from knowing this? If not, then what are you saying?
What makes this story "cable news fodder" is that at this point it's still essentially an unproven allegation. So we have two options:
(1) GUESS at answers regarding how true the allegations are and (if true) how widespread and significant the problem might be and who might be responsible for it, then run around screaming at each other at how bad OTHER PEOPLE are for not being concerned ENOUGH about the precise version of this problem that we have hallucinated in our heads, or...
(2) Wait a bit until we know more about what the details ACTUALLY are and THEN consider making it a big news story and telling the world, if it still seems sufficiently serious at that time.
"The lawsuit was filed on April 16, days after the introduction of the Trump Administration’s “zero tolerance” policy to separate children from parents who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border illegally. Trump abandoned the policy on Wednesday"