They need to come down with the price. 1k+ is insane for a device that now is obsolet in 1 year and has a battery sealed in that last maybe 1.5 years.
I am ok with sealed batteries if there was a good way to get it replaced. Some of these official service centers (including apple) do awful work and your phone will never be the same (and probably no longer IP68).
Street-Price will be far lower. Provider-Price will be even lower. I think the 1k is just a marketing-trick to make it seem more worth then it actually is.
As an S9 user, I'm not happy with this phone and not looking forward to the new one. I made the mistake of buying it because it had the best chipset and latest bluetooth standard, but that can't make up for its flaws.
I really dislike the samsung bloatware that cannot be uninstalled. I don't like that I can't update it using Android's project treble, because I have the Snapdragon variant.
I don't like the dumb curved edges. The screen is already too big for my taste. If they use the stupid notch from iPhone, I will hate it even more.
And I think this shows that the majority of consumers have absolutely no idea about product development. Say whatever else you want about Apple's decision to remove the headphone jack, but it was bold.
They got raked over the coals by the media, by consumers, by competitors. And in the end, looks like they were right.
It reminds me a bit of Nintendo. Nintendo often makes decisions that people say are bad. Motion controls won't work. The Wii is a stupid name. Link isn't a cartoon. You can't make a decent handheld.
But they hit more often than they miss. And even some of their misses are just too early. I mean, what is the Virtual Boy but a really rough Oculus Rift? The WiiU wasn't enough different from the Wii, but it led the way to the Switch. The Wind Waker turned out to be one of the better Zelda games.
You need to sometimes take those steps that no one else would in order to advance the art.
Apple is not right to remove the headphone jack. I, for example, am not buying a new pixel phone specifically because they don't come with headphone jacks.
Don't confuse people not having any choice with people actually wanting not to have the jack.
Same with the non-removable battery, it's not something I want, I just don't have any choice.
>While the V20 seems like a nice phone, I don't want to have just a single choice of phones, the battery is not the only thing I care about in a phone.
You can't have everything you want. If a replaceable battery is a big deal for you, you pick a phone that has it, and deal with the drawbacks (which in this phone is probably relatively poor battery life and a large size). And you get a used phone if you have to: the V20 isn't very old. I have its predecessor, the V10, and it works great.
>Also the LG V30 doesn't have a removable battery, so it seems like the V20 is the last of an era.
Perhaps, but you can vote with your wallet. Don't buy the expensive, brand-new phone that doesn't have the important feature you want. Stick with an older phone that does.
Meanwhile, Samsung ran ads that made fun of iPhones for not having removable batteries, and then went ahead and started making phones without removable batteries.
I will never buy another Samsung product again. They insist on shitting it up with stupid custom software that is inferior to the built-in. Their smart fridge is garbage...my refrigerator should not randomly reboot.
I don't understand why Samsung is doing this. Their Note line has always been the biggest and baddest. Now they are throwing that out the window. People were literally holding on to their time bomb Note 7's because that's how rabid the fanbase to the Note line is. This seems like a misstep to me. Well that and not updating the S9 security patches, I think they are still on February compared to my S8 which is rocking June.
I don't have any number to justify this, but I could very well imagine that Note sales dropped off a cliff after the battery issues. Brand management would then be necessary.
The S10+ could be the spiritual successor to the Note, in all but name.
As someone who's been around the wireless industry in various areas for around 20 years, this makes me chuckle.
We started with the gigantic 3-watt phones, then went all the way down to the tiny Motorola Vader, and then the iphone was released with a display of 3.5". Now the industry is heading right back towards the size of those huge 3 watt phones.
5.2" display is my cutoff. I hate feeling like I have a brick in my pockets and trying to use anything bigger with one hand just doesn't work at all; and I don't have Marques Brownlee hands either. I've had bigger phones, but the usability issues have killed it for me.
Which is why I got an iPhone SE. People at work were like "We can get you an 8 or an X" and I had to tell them, it's about the goddamn size of the phone.
I prefer a smaller phone and it's becoming increasingly difficult to get a decent one.
There are many Android phones with 7" or bigger screens, such as the Huawei Mediapad X1 from 2014. I applaud Samsung for redefining the notion of a big phone with the original Note, but all later iterations of the Note have been underwhelming in the size department.
There's also the movement toward 2:1 aspect ratios which limits some of the advantages of a larger screen, especially in landscape.
I would love a 7" phone with a 16:10 aspect ratio - this is what I consider big. This size will still comfortably fit in a back pocket.
Huawei had a pretty decent, 7", 16:10 mid-ranger, a few years back. I settled for their 6.3" offering at the time (Ascend Mate 2 with 3 day battery life) and bright/clear screen even in direct sunlight.
> This reeks of blogspam
I think there are quite a few fans of large phones. The title says biggest ever (with a bait and switch caveat: for a flagship...). I was very excited when I saw the headline. Disappointed when I saw it was "only" 6.44" and will probably have the trendy 2:1 aspect ratio.
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[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 56.6 ms ] threadI am ok with sealed batteries if there was a good way to get it replaced. Some of these official service centers (including apple) do awful work and your phone will never be the same (and probably no longer IP68).
I really dislike the samsung bloatware that cannot be uninstalled. I don't like that I can't update it using Android's project treble, because I have the Snapdragon variant.
I don't like the dumb curved edges. The screen is already too big for my taste. If they use the stupid notch from iPhone, I will hate it even more.
They got raked over the coals by the media, by consumers, by competitors. And in the end, looks like they were right.
It reminds me a bit of Nintendo. Nintendo often makes decisions that people say are bad. Motion controls won't work. The Wii is a stupid name. Link isn't a cartoon. You can't make a decent handheld.
But they hit more often than they miss. And even some of their misses are just too early. I mean, what is the Virtual Boy but a really rough Oculus Rift? The WiiU wasn't enough different from the Wii, but it led the way to the Switch. The Wind Waker turned out to be one of the better Zelda games.
You need to sometimes take those steps that no one else would in order to advance the art.
Don't confuse people not having any choice with people actually wanting not to have the jack.
Same with the non-removable battery, it's not something I want, I just don't have any choice.
Sure you do. The LG V20 has a removable battery.
Also the LG V30 doesn't have a removable battery, so it seems like the V20 is the last of an era.
You can't have everything you want. If a replaceable battery is a big deal for you, you pick a phone that has it, and deal with the drawbacks (which in this phone is probably relatively poor battery life and a large size). And you get a used phone if you have to: the V20 isn't very old. I have its predecessor, the V10, and it works great.
>Also the LG V30 doesn't have a removable battery, so it seems like the V20 is the last of an era.
Perhaps, but you can vote with your wallet. Don't buy the expensive, brand-new phone that doesn't have the important feature you want. Stick with an older phone that does.
https://bgr.com/2018/04/17/samsung-galaxy-s10-notch-design-c...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlelbGtPEdU
The S10+ could be the spiritual successor to the Note, in all but name.
We started with the gigantic 3-watt phones, then went all the way down to the tiny Motorola Vader, and then the iphone was released with a display of 3.5". Now the industry is heading right back towards the size of those huge 3 watt phones.
5.2" display is my cutoff. I hate feeling like I have a brick in my pockets and trying to use anything bigger with one hand just doesn't work at all; and I don't have Marques Brownlee hands either. I've had bigger phones, but the usability issues have killed it for me.
I prefer a smaller phone and it's becoming increasingly difficult to get a decent one.
> "similar to the iPhoen X."
There's also the movement toward 2:1 aspect ratios which limits some of the advantages of a larger screen, especially in landscape.
I would love a 7" phone with a 16:10 aspect ratio - this is what I consider big. This size will still comfortably fit in a back pocket.
Huawei had a pretty decent, 7", 16:10 mid-ranger, a few years back. I settled for their 6.3" offering at the time (Ascend Mate 2 with 3 day battery life) and bright/clear screen even in direct sunlight.
> This reeks of blogspam
I think there are quite a few fans of large phones. The title says biggest ever (with a bait and switch caveat: for a flagship...). I was very excited when I saw the headline. Disappointed when I saw it was "only" 6.44" and will probably have the trendy 2:1 aspect ratio.