Ask HN: Cities underserved by tech jobs?
This question came up in a meeting today and I thought I would ask the HN community for their insights. The company (could be any company but happens to be the one I'm currently working for) is in a position to open an office "anywhere" in the continental US. The projects this company takes on happen to involve embedded Linux systems and software defined radio systems, but lets not focus too much on the flavor of tech.
What cities in the US could be helped by having a company that was employing 30 - 50 technical workers (engineers) locate there? Are the cities already attractive to technical talent (already living out there) or willing to relocate there?
Everyone knows "Austin" or "Denver" or "Research Triangle Park" but how about other heartland cities?
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It wasn’t bad, but I was there during the Presidential Election, it was....interesting.
Lots of technical people from semiconductor, IBM refugees and the various companies supporting state government. Possible destination to woo people sick of NYC and Boston.
Great place to live, but tech dominated by a few large employers. Hell, I have +20 years RF hardware design experience (VLF - mmWave) and know some GNU Radio.
https://github.com/madengr
Hardware engineers are not too hard to find out there, Garmin, Allied Signal and Honeywell are among the substantial employers. It's also Sprint's HQ, not that that's much to go on these days. And KU is less than an hour out so you'll have a consistently refreshed talent pool to draw form.
KC could really use a stronger tech scene -- it's had a few false starts but nothing that's really stuck so far.
We have a tech scene, but I wouldn't consider us a big hub at the moment. Most companies just have support or administrative staff here.
I can't imagine _why_ someone would move from the 70F of SF to the 115F of Phoenix. Even at midnight it's still over 90*F.
This coming from someone who lives in DFW.
5 months out of the year the mean is above 80F.
Plus PHX is really only that hot May to September. PHX is like other deserts and generally very pleasant outside of the summer with lots of sun, which isn’t something you can always say about SF.
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Cheap land can be found in the vast majority of this country, Phoenix just seems like the polar opposite of climate from SF.
Perfect weather 70% of the year, summer's are hot but easily escapable due to pools and air conditioning, one of the largest public universities in country, unreal amounts of sunshine, little humidity, huge swaths of available land, low cost of living/rent, little traffic besides rush hour, and its trending blue politically as a result of all the inflow of former residents from CA, OR, etc.
San Diego, Los Angeles, Las Vegas all are with-in a 1 hour flight from Sky Harbor. Massive elevation changes with-in 1+ hour drive. Wine country and Mexico to the south and ski slopes/alpine forests and Grand Canyon/Lake Powell to the north.
Will be a swing state in the next 8 years and is likely to have a education focused Dem Gov over the next 4. A focus on education and incentives to lure more tech will be the key.
So I'd be chosing a mid-west population centre with good roads into the cornfields
Chicago belongs in the same breath as NY/SF/LA, so wouldn't be seen as a huge step down for someone relocating, but is drastically cheaper.
Also home to one of the best rated airports in the US.
Decidedly not a "tech center", but we do have a very solid and thriving local tech community: https://www.techlahoma.org
Atlanta is a great place to live. Super affordable cost of living, great food and music scenes, and offers a ton of things to do. It's a city in a forest -- there are so many trees it's unbelievable. There's lots of hiking, kayaking, climbing, and boating within an hour's reach of the city.
Atlanta has so much room for growth, too. People won't get priced out anytime soon.
There's a lot of diversity here, too! Ethnic, career, interest, lifestyle. You name it. Atlanta has the least amount of monoculture I've seen. There are so many different types of people here.
And I've already said it's cheap, but anecdotally: I own a 2bd/2ba 2,000 sqft condo in the city with 25' ceilings and floor to roof windows with city views. My mortgage is only $2,000/mo. It's directly on the Beltline, a mixed use running/biking trail that surrounds the city and is one of the best things about Atlanta. I run to work everyday.
I love the life here.
Come to Atlanta! We'd love to have y'all! I'd be happy to give you a tour if you come out this way.
Also, if I was going to live in a southern city with the heat and humidity, I think New Orleans would be way more exciting. I haven't been there since Katrina, but the cafes in the French quarter (and even outside of it) are almost other worldly.
Not to mention Georgia Tech and Emory are world-class institutions. Atlanta and the surrounding suburbs are home to many Fortune 500 company headquarters (Coca-Cola, UPS). New Orleans, and Louisiana doesn't really have anything like that to compare, AFAIK.
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Atlanta has been a great place for software developers at least since the mid 90s. You won’t make SV style wages but you also don’t have SV cost of living.
And from another perspective, if you have a family and want a place suitable for a spouse and the 2.1 kids, the burbs are really affordable and some have a great school system. You can buy a house with 5 or six bedrooms, 3+ bathrooms 2500 square feet for less than $350K. Jobs aren’t all “inside the perimeter” so your commute doesn’t have to be long. There are plenty of tech jobs in the burbs.
Tech scene is really great though.
It actually reminds me a lot of Austin before people figured out that Austin was cool.
Really great location, between a group of lakes, and some really great cultural options for a small city.
Epic is here. Some other names too but I thought someone should add it to the responses.
Wilmington is a smaller city (population around 112,000) and doesn't have a great tech scene today - although it is growing. UNC-W has been doing a lot to support the local entrepreneurial scene and a thriving startup scene is emerging there. Even better, in Wilmington you have beaches all around: Wrightsville Beach, Carolina Beach, and Kure Beach right next door, and then you have Topsail Island to the north, and the Brunswick County Beaches (Long Beach, Yaupon Beach, Holden Beach, Ocean Isle Beach, Sunset Beach) just to the south. Calabash is 45 minutes away if you want real, honest-to-god, genuine Calabash style seafood.
Anyway, back to Wilmington itself... it has the "college town" atmosphere since UNC-W is right smack in the heart of town, so there's a thriving nightlife, especially downtown around Front Street and the river area.
And if you do need to pop up to RTP for something, you're only ~2 hours away via direct shot up I-40. Likewise, if you need to go to Barstow, CA for some reason, you just jump on I-40 and drive 2,554 miles and you're there!
Disclaimer: I'm a little biased, as I was born in Wilmington, grew up near Holden Beach, about 30 miles from Wilmington, and attended UNC-W. So Wilmington is "home" to me in a sense. Yes, I left for the greener pastures of RTP, but that was almost 20 years ago. If I were that age again, living in Wilmington now, I might just stay.
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