USA isn't Poland. Trump says dumb things, some BS, and is boorish but isn't Hitler nor anywhere close to it.
"The press and journalists" should realize when you push click bait then you give room for Trump and others like him to call you fake news, because sometimes you are
I encourage you to read a book on the lead-up to WWII. The similarities are amazing. When Hitler was in power in the 1930s, his propaganda was that he was a man of peace, he only wanted to help Germans (they needed "breathing room" at one point), etc. To the wonder of many contemporaries, much of Europe and the U.S. took him at his word and did nothing - the alternative apparently was too terrible to contemplate. Neville Chamberlain famously negotiated "peace in our time" with Hitler. I recently read a story of someone at the time who talked about everyone acting as if nothing abnormal was happening, a story I've heard many times.
In real life, the bad guy doesn't wear a black hat and doesn't stand up and say "I'm evil". You are never going to see stronger signals than what you see now. If what you see isn't enough, nothing ever will be.
Any serious history of the subject (WWII, Hitler, etc) that covers that time period would include it. It was integral to Hitler's foreign policy.
Remember that the purpose of propaganda is not to persuade people as much as to create enough uncertainty and confusion that there is inaction - like FUD in the computer industry.
You're trying to reason with an echo chamber. Leave them to their insanity. They only know the pseudo intellectual dribble of the propaganda on which they feed. Wasting your breathe will only grant you condemnation.
But they're precursors, in which that sort of thing incubates, until it's ready to hatch. It's all just talk, until it's normalized to the point where it isn't anymore.
AIUI, the dupe detector takes into account whether or not the submission has gained traction. If a submission only has a few comments, a subsequent re-submission may not be considered a dupe.
This is one giant bandaid on ranking algorithm. I post several stories and depending on day/time/other events either it would get 0 votes or 1000. Same story, same content. This should make people who are in charge of this website do a lot of thinking...
I think the issue is that every new story is randomly shown N times at the end of normal results and without initial votes story quickly gets ranked down. When N is too small, you might see random behavior. However they are probably not able to keep N too high because of limited slice of impressions it can be granted.
By contrast, the polarizing political movements of 21st-century Europe demand much less of their adherents. They don’t require belief in a full-blown ideology, and thus they don’t require violence or terror police. They don’t force people to believe that black is white, war is peace, and state farms have achieved 1,000 percent of their planned production. Most of them don’t deploy propaganda that conflicts with everyday reality. And yet all of them depend, if not on a Big Lie, then on what the historian Timothy Snyder once told me should be called the Medium-Size Lie, or perhaps a clutch of Medium-Size Lies.
This is an interesting theory. The author says that for Poland, the "medium size lie" is that "a nefarious plot brought down the president’s plane in April 2010". And for Hungary, "It is the belief, shared by the Russian government and the American alt-right, in the superhuman powers of George Soros, the Hungarian Jewish billionaire who is supposedly plotting to bring down the nation through the deliberate importation of migrants, even though no such migrants exist in Hungary."
What is the equivalent "medium size lie" for other countries? As an American, I'm particularly interested in what people think the lie currently is for America. Are there just two main lies, that each major political party believes about the other? Or are there combinatorially many, what each subfaction believes about each other subfaction? Can opposite answers to the same question be the same lie? I'm not interested in debating whether any particular lie is actually true, and more interesting to hear what people believe, and to try to understand why they believe it.
) ) but are staged by actors and the "lying" media.
) Both sides on the gun debate lie.
How can both sides lie at the quoted example? Either there were people killed or not? How can both sides lie at the same time about it? Can a person be half killed? Even if there was a Schrödinger person, wouldn't fact checking collapse the state to either one?
Because one side perpetuates the good guy with the guy myth, and the other side drastically inflates the numbers of school shootings.
Hense, both sides lie. The mistruths end up being the biggest obstacle to proper gun reform.
We can't compromise when both sides aren't truthful or realistic. If you think your side is "right" then I suggest educating yourself about guns from someone without a political agenda.
I am curious about inflating school shooting numbers. Do you have links for that? Are you saying that there were fake deaths and there are crisis paid actors?
Seriously, gun control reform is very important. We just need the activists on both sides to start acting like reasonable adults.
(Begin rant)
On the right, there's the "good guy with the gun" myth; and the belief that responsible homeowners need to have a gun "for safety." Both are absurd.
On the left, there's this belief that bad guns can be banned, and good guns allowed. That's also absurd, because all guns are designed to kill! A hunter sitting in a tree waiting for a deer uses the same equipment as a man looking through a window waiting for his victim.
That's what I mean by acting like adults. The right and left are so unrealistic that they're going to get nowhere with real reform.
I'm not aware of a widespread belief that school shootings are more common now than they were in the 90s. That said, just because the rate isn't increasing, is that a compelling argument for not addressing school shootings? If your house burned down once this year, but it burned down 3 times in 1998, I think you're still having too many house fires. How is that an argument that there's no need to buy a smoke alarm, and maybe re-examine your lifestyle to understand why you're experiencing such an unusually high number of fires?
I read the article, where does it say about lying and faking school shooting numbers? Crisis actors? Fake deaths? Because that is the lie we started from.
The article talks about perception. That people now are more worried about school shootings than they used to be, despite past being 4 times worse off.
I agree with you that there are perception / reality issues on both sides. For example: most gun perpetrators and most deaths are from gun suicides.
But the discussion here is about explicit lies. That there was no school shooting. That the people on tv are trained actors.
> What is the equivalent "medium size lie" for other countries? As an American, I'm particularly interested in what people think the lie currently is for America
The US-American lie is that the world is a dangerous place.
A lot of the problem is related the fearmongering media, and how the American public buys into it too much. Americans are afraid of each other and even more about others, are paranoid about so many things. Now it is a disease. There's a culture of fear.
Economically, the lie for the right is that everything would be fine if we could just get the government out of peoples' way so they could be free to efficiently engage in economic activity.
The lie for the left is that everything will be fine if we can get the government to stop regular people from being exploited by the powerful.
Socially and/or morally, the lie for the left is that people are basically good in terms of crime - that crime needs to be treated rather than fought. But people are bad in terms of social interaction - that racism and sexism are everywhere and need to be confronted as evil.
The lie of the right is that people are evil in terms of crime, that crime needs to be fought, but that racism and sexism are perhaps behavioral problems, but not really moral problems.
People are tired of subsidising ethnic underclasses, who commit most of the crime, do not integrate, have lower workforce participation rates, have a lower average IQ, and have a higher reliance on welfare.
This underclass is only brought into the country to provide cheap labour - privatising the gains - whilst the social ills and welfare burden falls on the taxpayer - socialising the losses.
Poland, Hungary etc. are right to oppose this.
The centrists and left-wing politicians can simply embrace immigration restrictions. Its what the Democrats in the USA should do: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-dem... and it will take away the primary campaigning point of right-wing parties.
Statistics show that in the USA, Whites provide an annual surplus (Taxes - Welfare) of $2,795, Hispanics -$7,298, and Blacks -$10,016.
There is already a widespread conspiracy in Europe to interfere with the free reporting of information - by Leftists. The ethnicity data of offenders in Sweden is no longer collected - as it would show the overwhelming majority of offenders are non-Swedes, and non-Europeans. In Cologne at New Years Eve 2015, the media held back the information of mass sexual assaults for two days. In Germany a month ago, the Police held back the information that a German man was murdered by two illegal immigrants, until it was leaked by a police officer.
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Enough of these scare mongering articles.
In real life, the bad guy doesn't wear a black hat and doesn't stand up and say "I'm evil". You are never going to see stronger signals than what you see now. If what you see isn't enough, nothing ever will be.
Remember that the purpose of propaganda is not to persuade people as much as to create enough uncertainty and confusion that there is inaction - like FUD in the computer industry.
But they're precursors, in which that sort of thing incubates, until it's ready to hatch. It's all just talk, until it's normalized to the point where it isn't anymore.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_c...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_state_funeral_of_Lec...
I think the issue is that every new story is randomly shown N times at the end of normal results and without initial votes story quickly gets ranked down. When N is too small, you might see random behavior. However they are probably not able to keep N too high because of limited slice of impressions it can be granted.
This is an interesting theory. The author says that for Poland, the "medium size lie" is that "a nefarious plot brought down the president’s plane in April 2010". And for Hungary, "It is the belief, shared by the Russian government and the American alt-right, in the superhuman powers of George Soros, the Hungarian Jewish billionaire who is supposedly plotting to bring down the nation through the deliberate importation of migrants, even though no such migrants exist in Hungary."
What is the equivalent "medium size lie" for other countries? As an American, I'm particularly interested in what people think the lie currently is for America. Are there just two main lies, that each major political party believes about the other? Or are there combinatorially many, what each subfaction believes about each other subfaction? Can opposite answers to the same question be the same lie? I'm not interested in debating whether any particular lie is actually true, and more interesting to hear what people believe, and to try to understand why they believe it.
That Obama was secretly a foreign born Muslim.
That Hilary Clinton ran a child abuse ring out of a pizza joint.
That school massacres aren't real but are staged by actors and the "lying" media.
That Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich.
That a deep state, also run by Clinton, is lying about Russian interference and fabricating evidence against Manafort, Cohen et al.
That the Puerto Rican death toll is just a fabrication to make the administration look bad
That Climate change is a Chinese plot to destroy American business.
) ) but are staged by actors and the "lying" media.
) Both sides on the gun debate lie.
How can both sides lie at the quoted example? Either there were people killed or not? How can both sides lie at the same time about it? Can a person be half killed? Even if there was a Schrödinger person, wouldn't fact checking collapse the state to either one?
Hense, both sides lie. The mistruths end up being the biggest obstacle to proper gun reform.
We can't compromise when both sides aren't truthful or realistic. If you think your side is "right" then I suggest educating yourself about guns from someone without a political agenda.
That's NPR!
Seriously, gun control reform is very important. We just need the activists on both sides to start acting like reasonable adults.
(Begin rant)
On the right, there's the "good guy with the gun" myth; and the belief that responsible homeowners need to have a gun "for safety." Both are absurd.
On the left, there's this belief that bad guns can be banned, and good guns allowed. That's also absurd, because all guns are designed to kill! A hunter sitting in a tree waiting for a deer uses the same equipment as a man looking through a window waiting for his victim.
That's what I mean by acting like adults. The right and left are so unrealistic that they're going to get nowhere with real reform.
The article talks about perception. That people now are more worried about school shootings than they used to be, despite past being 4 times worse off.
I agree with you that there are perception / reality issues on both sides. For example: most gun perpetrators and most deaths are from gun suicides.
But the discussion here is about explicit lies. That there was no school shooting. That the people on tv are trained actors.
In both cases, I'd recommend watching this video "Everything's a rich man's trick": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM (3 hrs)
A 'teaser trailer' exists which jumps to the heart of the message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgsaXooC6AE (9 mins)
It's an interesting & confronting watch.
A lot of the problem is related the fearmongering media, and how the American public buys into it too much. Americans are afraid of each other and even more about others, are paranoid about so many things. Now it is a disease. There's a culture of fear.
Economically, the lie for the right is that everything would be fine if we could just get the government out of peoples' way so they could be free to efficiently engage in economic activity.
The lie for the left is that everything will be fine if we can get the government to stop regular people from being exploited by the powerful.
Socially and/or morally, the lie for the left is that people are basically good in terms of crime - that crime needs to be treated rather than fought. But people are bad in terms of social interaction - that racism and sexism are everywhere and need to be confronted as evil.
The lie of the right is that people are evil in terms of crime, that crime needs to be fought, but that racism and sexism are perhaps behavioral problems, but not really moral problems.
People are tired of subsidising ethnic underclasses, who commit most of the crime, do not integrate, have lower workforce participation rates, have a lower average IQ, and have a higher reliance on welfare.
This underclass is only brought into the country to provide cheap labour - privatising the gains - whilst the social ills and welfare burden falls on the taxpayer - socialising the losses.
Poland, Hungary etc. are right to oppose this.
The centrists and left-wing politicians can simply embrace immigration restrictions. Its what the Democrats in the USA should do: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-dem... and it will take away the primary campaigning point of right-wing parties.
Statistics show that in the USA, Whites provide an annual surplus (Taxes - Welfare) of $2,795, Hispanics -$7,298, and Blacks -$10,016.
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fi...
There is already a widespread conspiracy in Europe to interfere with the free reporting of information - by Leftists. The ethnicity data of offenders in Sweden is no longer collected - as it would show the overwhelming majority of offenders are non-Swedes, and non-Europeans. In Cologne at New Years Eve 2015, the media held back the information of mass sexual assaults for two days. In Germany a month ago, the Police held back the information that a German man was murdered by two illegal immigrants, until it was leaked by a police officer.