The article is about Australia, but the content applies to pretty much anywhere that accepts international students for money -- grade inflation is very much a thing in the US too.
You also need an undergraduate degree to sit for the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS) exam.
Me, the operator and owner of a sports science company that does eight digits of revenue, cannot sit for it because I dropped out of an undergrad program. Yep. That makes sense.
what's interesting for people with an non-xenophobic eye, is the contrast between the students, those whose parents or sponsor paid for everything and those who are really trying to turn their destiny around.
It really mimic the American side of thing with the prep schools, the legacy admission, the fraternities vs the first gen students or even the students born in a reservation.
Briefly attended one of these prep schools. There was as much contrast between people as anywhere else. Including contrast in affluence (being able to afford a five figure tuition doesn't automatically make one crazy rich).
I am just about halfway through an MBA program at an Australian University. On average most of my essay assignments are 2000 words +-10%. I was writing 2000 word essays in high school 20 years ago, this is not what I expected at all.
Having said that I didn't do an undergraduate degree, and really want that piece of paper so I can open some new doors.
So many of the other students in my group work shouldn't be passing high school classes let along a postgraduate degree from a "world class" university.
One thing I want to make clear is this is not xenophobia, I speak (a little) Mandarin, Korean & Japanese. I love working in multicultural teams. I don't care where you are from or how hard it is to speak English any more than people in China, Korea & Japan care how badly I mangle their languages. I care if you don't try, don't practice and play the racism card when a lecturer fails you because you clearly don't understand the premise of the subject.
If you have a lot of professional experience and high marks on the GMAT you’ll be able to get into a surprising number of MBA programs at prestigious universities. I’m sure networking also helps.
There are plenty of MBA programs in the UK that don't require an undergraduate degree. A person in my family got onto one with no real 'high school' level qualifications even! He struggled and dropped out. What they really want from you is fees.
Australian universities recognise prior work experience for a MBA. If you've working been in a business related field (virtually most office jobs) and have some aptitude there's a good chance of getting admitted.
Sorry for the delay, accidentally set my anti-procrastination timeout to 5 hours.
I articulated through a Graduate Certificate program that encompassed 4 of the compulsory subjects for the 16 subject MBA. I had to obtain a credit average to move into the MBA itself.
By passing out a bunch of degrees to unqualified students a school is essentially printing a currency that will eventually be recognized as worthless. One could see this as a tragedy of the commons for everyone but the highest tier schools.
This here is precisely the problem, and is also precisely why these types of students aren't mere "cash cows"; they're existential threats to engineering management's ability to hire people who can actually do what they claim to be able to do.
(And to engineers' ability to make to employers strong and credible claims about what they can do.)
I don't think so. If this is so widely-known then there will be some bias in selection of people for an interview. And after a phone screen it will be obvious if the candidate knows anything.
This seems good for me personally, I decided not to go to school and am about to start working in software for a Fortune 500 company. If degrees are seen as worthless, and other heuristics are used (such as the technical interview I participated in), I will have a good chance of being hireable in the future.
This was me for the last 20 years. Eventually my interests changed and I reached a point when I knew I needed to learn some things that for me an on campus MBA is the best way to learn.
It was interesting to see the breakdown of country of origin for students at my alma mater. The undergrad program was by and large Americans, the masters program mostly students from China and India, while the PhD program was roughly 50/50 students from China and the US. Sorting by price, the masters degree was by far the most expensive, undergrad was fairly pricey but with tons of financial aid available, while the Ph.D. students were all paid a stipend of 30K a year. At ~50K a year in tuition for the masters program, the CS department was making bank by inflating the size of masters cohort. Seemed kind of unfair to the masters students, from my perspective.
unfair to who? charging so much is unfair to the masters students who are paying too much for something worth far less and admitting so many of them is unfair to the other students (especially asians who are not from china) and staff, whose reputation they damage
It's unfair because the school gets used to the far higher tuition charged for international students, and they don't allow domestic students in. Or they set aside a max % that can be foreign. The schools need the money. But foreign students take the place of domestic students, especially at selective institutions.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 48.6 ms ] threadThe article is about Australia, but the content applies to pretty much anywhere that accepts international students for money -- grade inflation is very much a thing in the US too.
Me, the operator and owner of a sports science company that does eight digits of revenue, cannot sit for it because I dropped out of an undergrad program. Yep. That makes sense.
In the late 90s, high school students and gardeners could get jobs in tech.
When there are too few jobs for the population, credentialitis happens. This is why government jobs are pretty much all about credentials.
When there are too many jobs for the population, they lower the bar when it comes to credentials.
It really mimic the American side of thing with the prep schools, the legacy admission, the fraternities vs the first gen students or even the students born in a reservation.
Having said that I didn't do an undergraduate degree, and really want that piece of paper so I can open some new doors.
So many of the other students in my group work shouldn't be passing high school classes let along a postgraduate degree from a "world class" university.
One thing I want to make clear is this is not xenophobia, I speak (a little) Mandarin, Korean & Japanese. I love working in multicultural teams. I don't care where you are from or how hard it is to speak English any more than people in China, Korea & Japan care how badly I mangle their languages. I care if you don't try, don't practice and play the racism card when a lecturer fails you because you clearly don't understand the premise of the subject.
I articulated through a Graduate Certificate program that encompassed 4 of the compulsory subjects for the 16 subject MBA. I had to obtain a credit average to move into the MBA itself.
(And to engineers' ability to make to employers strong and credible claims about what they can do.)
Many of them don't care, as long as the university stamps a MS degree for them after two years.