Ask HN: Are any of you IEEE members?
I'm considering membership, but thought I would also inquire to the community about recent experiences.
Do any of you hold IEEE membership? Is it worth it in your mind? If not, why not? If so, why so?
Likewise, do any of you hold any other professional organization memberships? Which, and why? Or if not, why not?
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I searched through the archives and couldn't find anything younger than about 8-10 years old with few comments. It would be interesting to hear updated information from others in the field.
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[ 5.3 ms ] story [ 128 ms ] threadThen I did get my "forever job", and kept the journal subscriptions for a bit because I wanted to see how the research related to my work.
In the last year or so of college I was asked if I was interested in joining the Society Of Women Engineers [SWE]; engineering activities for Girl Scouts, field trips to engineering-related museums, actual stuff going on. I'm now a lifetime member. Once in a while these days I go to an event or meeting. I enjoy the magazine.
I don't think the membership is worth it. Or at least it's unclear what are the benefits.
How about Tau Beta Pi?
It's as if the IEEE had shared a spreadsheet with emails with all of their members, with no process going to update or revoke this information.
Here in Germany, after having terminated business relations with an organization, you can force them to delete all personal data they hold about you unless they are required to hold the data for legal compliance reasons.
(And before you say that's because of GDPR, it's actually been like this for as long as I can remember, so at least 20 years. GDPR mostly just standardized existing laws and added some potentially hefty fines to make it harder for international corporations to ignore them.)
My impression is that membership is entirely optional these days but probably recommended if you frequently attend their conferences and other events and depend on networking with people in IEEE professionally. I'm no longer in the academic world so haven't looked at them recently.
But if I would, my membership would probably be conditional on open access. I'd consider paying but not for access to their publications. A condition of my membership would be full open access to every letter of everything ever published under their name. It would be the single most beneficial thing they could do to further the community they represent. I'm pretty sure they have gone most of the way there already, But just making the point here that access to published materials should not be a reason to join.
Another option is to join a society within IEEE (in addition to membership). This gives you a substantial discount on subscriptions to publications sponsored by that society. However, I found that I needed to join multiple societies to span the publications I was interested in, and it was just not worth it.
Not to mention, you should be able to get free access via the library system anyway.
What does this mean? You're surely not talking about bandwidth and storage costs, those are on the order of pennies.
>> I was a student member, but cancelled after I graduated
>>>I don't know where you are getting your numbers from wrt ACM at least
I’d love access to the journal, but I don’t think that was included.
Most computer science papers tend to be available in the ACM library, while the IEEE one leans more towards EE/hardware/networks.
As for other advantages conference tickets are cheaper for members, but usually your employer/group should be paying these anyways.
I cancelled my membership the day I realized I had one year of unread issues sitting on my desk. I'd found for long that the quality of the publications in CACM was no better than what I was reading on specialized blogs. It only had additional prestige — or so I thought at the time.
After I had cancelled, I developed a growing uneasiness with how much effort (and money!) was spent in getting me renew my membership, with a lot of (international) mails on high-quality paper. No wonder the membership was so expensive.
I'm still wondering about the actual benefits of such associations.
I think these decisions are interesting for early career software engineers. Then, sometimes life takes you a direction where a professional affiliation makes sense, sometimes it doesn't.
This has been made obsolete by the rise of the internet.
I can understand the value of a professional organisation like the that has useful power to enforce professional standards, preventing employers from forcing employees into unethical behaviour. And I can understand the value - though I don't much like it - of a professional organisation constraining the supply of qualified workers to keep wages high.
Professional organisations in IT don't seem to achieve either of those things.
Some professional organisations run journals and standards committees and publish academic research and standards. I can appreciate the value of that.
Being a member of the organisation doesn't grant you access to all their publications.
Joining a professional institution would allow me to call myself a "professional engineer" which, in my country, is a protected title.
But the distinction between "engineer" and "professional engineer" is lost on most people. When I want to signal a higher social status other things are easier and more effective.
About the only thing of much value I can see from professional organisations is accrediting university courses. It's good for universities to have an incentive to provide quality teaching to balance the incentive to focus on research.
In other words, while professional bodies provide quite a list of benefits, the list of benefits I care about seems quite sparse.
Several HNers have commented on the high cost of membership. I agree that that at times I have been tempted to cancel my memberships. But it is a tax deductible expense and in most professions the membership fees for their respective bodies is comparable.
I was almost ready to make the jump and join one of these until I realized how many extra fees I'd incur to read everything I was interested in. IIRC with the ACM it's papers presented at conferences that are extra, but it sounds like IEEE has similar problems.
I can see how membership could have some other benefits, but it's hard to justify the expense, and just distasteful to contribute to the academic gatekeeping involved.
I'm however considering cancelling this as my protest against their mostly pay walled publications. Interestingly even if you have membership they still don't give you access to it! In many ways they are as bad as Elsevier but have managed avoid attention because technically they are "nonprofit" on paper and they run lot of top tier conferences.